Star69 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hi, 2 pics of the movement of m Asia GMT Ceramic : what do you think ? timebomb ? nice copy ? cheers, Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK471 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 That's Asian? Did they really take the time to put the ETA stamp on it? I guess upon close inspection the stamp doesn't look all that sharp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Holy Cow that looks pretty real enough, great shot of the stamp Damn those pesky rep factories ST4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Forget the stamps and markings. Check out the balance cap jewel and Kif Trior spring and holder. It's not a Kif setting but something totally different. The Kif setting has 3 cutouts for the spring to fit into, this one has one cutout, it's not the real deal (at least not to my knowledge). I have had a few of these in for servicing, they are not the best and I have had problems getting them to run well after servicing. Never ever had any problems with an ETA following servicing. Trying to get the beat and rate adjusted was a frustrating experience when it should be simple. Maybe I just had a few lemons of these new copy models, or maybe they are simply lemons... My experience has not been good. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmt Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Maybe I just had a few lemons of these new copy models, or maybe they are simply lemons... My experience has not been good. RG OK, so that settles my quandry. I will wait for swiss models. @The Zigmeister-- have you seen any CHS models yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 OK, so that settles my quandry. I will wait for swiss models. @Ziggy-- have you seen any CHS models yet? I am not sure what a CHS model is... RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I agree with Ziggy -- that 'KIF' setting's singular cutout is a dead give-away that this is not a standard issue ETA (unless ETA or the company that makes the KIF components has changed their design). I have a guide that illustrates the standard KIF layout (near the end) CHS = Correct Hand Stack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmt Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Sorry. The Correct Hand Stack versions of the GMTIICs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Sorry. The Correct Hand Stack versions of the GMTIICs Yes I believe I have seen all versions of the ETA 2836 modified GMT movements produced. Other than the genuine ETA 2893-2 GMT movement, I stopped servicing or even luming the modified GMT movements. Simply because they are too problematic. Gears breaking in two pieces when you remove the hands, hands slipping, poor quality parts, poor design, etc... The failure rate is very high on this model. The 2893-2 models have had zero returns or failures. If you get one and it works, don't frig with it, leave it alone and enjoy it... RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Yes I believe I have seen all versions of the ETA 2836 modified GMT movements produced. Other than the genuine ETA 2893-2 GMT movement, I stopped servicing or even luming the modified GMT movements. Simply because they are too problematic. Gears breaking in two pieces when you remove the hands, hands slipping, poor quality parts, poor design, etc... The failure rate is very high on this model. The 2893-2 models have had zero returns or failures. I have to ask the obvious question -- Is the ETA 2893-2 an even swap for the problematic movement? Same dimensions, hand sizes, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted June 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 okay - so its more a "time bomb" than i guess i leave it untouched and see how long it will run thanks for the infos ! Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I have to ask the obvious question -- Is the ETA 2893-2 an even swap for the problematic movement? Same dimensions, hand sizes, etc.? I have replaced a number of 2836-2's GMT movements with 2893-2's. In fact I am in the middle of doing one right now, a PAM 029 (or 027, I can't keep the numbers straight). On this particular PAM the movement spacer ring is too small and I need to grind it down to get the 2893-2 to fit into it. The other ones I have upgraded worked ok, other than needing a new GMT hand to fit the 2893-2, I can't remember any real big fitment issues or problems, it all seemed to go together fine. But, as with anything on these reps, what worked on a watch today, may not work tomorrow simply due to the variations in production. I did have a GMTII in for lume once, it came equipped from the factory with a 2893-2 inside, only one I have ever seen, and no idea where it came from... RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Yes I believe I have seen all versions of the ETA 2836 modified GMT movements produced. Other than the genuine ETA 2893-2 GMT movement, I stopped servicing or even luming the modified GMT movements. Simply because they are too problematic. Gears breaking in two pieces when you remove the hands, hands slipping, poor quality parts, poor design, etc... The failure rate is very high on this model. The 2893-2 models have had zero returns or failures. If you get one and it works, don't frig with it, leave it alone and enjoy it... RG Would Ofrei be a source for a ETA 2893-2 GMT movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 It sis possible to get a genuine ETA 2893-2 GMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I just find out that those movement are no longer produce and it will be really hard to find one. is there another one that can be use as a replacement. Cheer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I have replaced a number of 2836-2's GMT movements with 2893-2's. In fact I am in the middle of doing one right now, a PAM 029 (or 027, I can't keep the numbers straight). On this particular PAM the movement spacer ring is too small and I need to grind it down to get the 2893-2 to fit into it. The other ones I have upgraded worked ok, other than needing a new GMT hand to fit the 2893-2, I can't remember any real big fitment issues or problems, it all seemed to go together fine. Ok, so there is at least 1 option. But just to beat this dead horse a bit further into the ground - Do you know if the parts that typically go south on the 2836-2's can be swapped out for the same parts from the (more reliable) 2893-2s? Put more simply -- Can you retrofit the reliable parts from an 2893-2 into the correct hand stack 2836-2? Or, can have your cake & eat it too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiker01 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Forget the stamps and markings. Check out the balance cap jewel and Kif Trior spring and holder. It's not a Kif setting but something totally different. The Kif setting has 3 cutouts for the spring to fit into, this one has one cutout, it's not the real deal (at least not to my knowledge). I have had a few of these in for servicing, they are not the best and I have had problems getting them to run well after servicing. Never ever had any problems with an ETA following servicing. Trying to get the beat and rate adjusted was a frustrating experience when it should be simple. Maybe I just had a few lemons of these new copy models, or maybe they are simply lemons... My experience has not been good. RG [censored]! So what do we do now? Lessons learned, I guess ? Set on it? Wait and see? Damn! I hate this! I guess we could call this new GMT IIc - a "SUPERFICIAL BEAUTY - nothing from the inside!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I have to admit, after seeing this movement, I was convinced that also my Eta is an Asian clone. I put the 2 pictures together and luckily I found some minor differences. 1: on mine is also a number engraved in the red circle 2: the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fido Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hi i would like to know if the hands of the asian 2836-2 can fit right without modifications to a swiss 2836-2 same to 2824-2 thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 The 2893-2 is an excellent movement for sure, but if I'm not mistaken it has incorrect hand stack for the modern GMT Master II. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the GMT hand is below the hour hand on 2893-2. The wrong hand stack genuine ETA 2836-2 (the GMT hand adjustable model) has never, ever given me even one single problem over the years. And I've owned many of them. The Asian versions are different I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted June 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hi i would like to know if the hands of the asian 2836-2 can fit right without modifications to a swiss 2836-2 same to 2824-2 thanks i think the hands will fit - as for the movement: the price difference is so huge .... if it brakes ? i buy a new one time/gmt - hand setting is exactly like on the incorrect hand stack ETA . cheers, Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magagne Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 I have to admit, after seeing this movement, I was convinced that also my Eta is an Asian clone. I put the 2 pictures together and luckily I found some minor differences. 1: on mine is also a number engraved in the red circle 2: the “+” mark on mine is engraved on the bridge while the Asian on almost fall off 3: one screw is silver on mine and black on the Asian one. The look pretty close though and since my name is not Rob or Freddy, it would be hard for me to tell the difference if I don’t have them next to each other. 4: The hole side to release the stem is more square on Swiss than on Asian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octavian Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 okay - so its more a "time bomb" than i guess i leave it untouched and see how long it will run Well...I can tell you how long my GMTIIc Asian lasted. Received it on Thursday morning. Died today (Monday evening). So that's about four and a half days of normal wear. Only adjusted it for time a couple of instances. Very disappointing, to say the least. I'm not a repair expert so I don't know what's wrong on the inside. I was considering taking it to be fixed... but it sounds like there may be issues with the movement as a whole. Other flaws (unrelated to the movement)... slightly tilted crystal (the cyclops side of the crystal is raised above the plane of the bezel by a millimeter or so). Unusually sharp edges on the bracelet. And I agree with another poster... the clasp scratches very easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted July 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Well...I can tell you how long my GMTIIc Asian lasted. Received it on Thursday morning. Died today (Monday evening). So that's about four and a half days of normal wear. Only adjusted it for time a couple of instances. Very disappointing, to say the least. I'm not a repair expert so I don't know what's wrong on the inside. I was considering taking it to be fixed... but it sounds like there may be issues with the movement as a whole. Other flaws (unrelated to the movement)... slightly tilted crystal (the cyclops side of the crystal is raised above the plane of the bezel by a millimeter or so). Unusually sharp edges on the bracelet. And I agree with another poster... the clasp scratches very easily. okay its ticking - so it will break today here - lets see serious - did you sent it back to the dealer ? Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Are we sure this isn't an Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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