RobbieG Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Look what I found on the bay. A 2824 which claims to be Swiss but yet has a naked rotor... http://cgi.ebay.com/ETA-2824-2-Mens-new-Or...1QQcmdZViewItem ...and this one which appears more typical and for much more money... http://cgi.ebay.com/ETA-Automatic-Movement...Q2em118Q2el1247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-Lancelot Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 The more expensive one actually looks to be a fake. The shock protection on the balance looks wrong. Should look more like a clover if I am not mistaken. The cheaper one looks correct to me. I could be full of [censored] and have no idea what I am saying, but that is my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieG Posted August 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 (edited) To my eye it is the opposite. The nickel movement looks to have Incabloc and the brass movement appears to have a lower cost alternative of some sort. I beleive there is also another alternative to Incabloc that ETA uses called Etachoc or something... Look what I found on the bay. A 2824 which claims to be Swiss but yet has a naked rotor... http://cgi.ebay.com/ETA-2824-2-Mens-new-Or...1QQcmdZViewItem ...and this one which appears more typical and for much more money... http://cgi.ebay.com/ETA-Automatic-Movement...Q2em118Q2el1247 Edited August 4, 2008 by RobbieG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_brian_ Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) Interesting comparison... I Edited August 4, 2008 by _brian_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBond Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Interesting comparison... I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieG Posted August 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Yeah. They are getting better and better at the visible cosmetics though, huh? They used to be a lot more crude than what we see here - and not so long ago. +1 the cheaper is an Asian movement. This is just an evo of the 7750 to become an ETA clone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 They both appear to be 100% ETA from my eye. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieG Posted August 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 What about the blank rotor and the weird shock device Rob? I'm sure you have seen those before, but I can't say as I have. I guess if it is genuine it must be an ebauche rotor as the complete movement ones are usually stamped, no? They both appear to be 100% ETA from my eye. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surpur Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 The second one is definitely ETA with the right shock protector. The first one has the shock protector that the Chinese versions are using, kind of 3 leafed. Its hard to see on the balance jewel, but you can see it well on the large jewel on the top plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbh Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I bought one from Bandmaniac. (The gold one) I had to have the hand pins switched since they were too short for my rep. So either it's genuine or the genuine parts fit a rep. This went into a 2824 ETA Datejust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 The shock absorber on the first one is a KIF Trior model, very common on many ETA's. As for the rotor, since ETA makes many ebauches and has a number of finishes available (for companies like Sellita), this rotor could simply have been left blank for the addition of the watch manufacturers logo...the fact it's blank doesn't cause concern. Not when everything else appears to be ETA. I think they are both genuine movements from the pics supplied on the ads. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-Lancelot Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Found this some time ago. I do not believe it's on Paul's sight any more so good thing I saved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalcranium Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Found this some time ago. I do not believe it's on Paul's sight any more so good thing I saved it. The ETA stamp on the base plate means NOTHING. There are many examples of Asian built movements on genuine ebauches from ETA. I don't know how anyone would justify bidding on the second one. The pic is from an ad not pictures of the actual movement being sold. Would you buy a car on ebay if they showed you a picture from Chrysler's website of the vehicle and not the actual auto??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_brian_ Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 The shock absorber on the first one is a KIF Trior model, very common on many ETA's. As for the rotor, since ETA makes many ebauches and has a number of finishes available (for companies like Sellita), this rotor could simply have been left blank for the addition of the watch manufacturers logo...the fact it's blank doesn't cause concern. Not when everything else appears to be ETA. I think they are both genuine movements from the pics supplied on the ads. RG It Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhes4 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Both of them are real ETA. I bought the cheaper version and it is real ETA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBeat Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 The shock absorber on the first one is a KIF Trior model, very common on many ETA's. As for the rotor, since ETA makes many ebauches and has a number of finishes available (for companies like Sellita), this rotor could simply have been left blank for the addition of the watch manufacturers logo...the fact it's blank doesn't cause concern. Not when everything else appears to be ETA. I think they are both genuine movements from the pics supplied on the ads. RG What do you think about the PH that is stamped just beside the ETA-logo? I have not seen this on genuine ETA. PS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreww Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 They both appear to be 100% ETA from my eye. RG LOL, thats a pretty ironic quote right there! Hows the other one doing Zig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjfesq Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 why is the 2893-2 gmt so hard to get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 LOL, thats a pretty ironic quote right there! Hows the other one doing Zig? Ah good, someone is paying attention to the small details... My eye is doing much better, swelling has finally gone down and I am not in pain anymore, but it's still blood red all over...going to be a while before it's absorbed. I still look like a freak. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 What do you think about the PH that is stamped just beside the ETA-logo? I have not seen this on genuine ETA. PS Don't know what it means, I have seen it before, the key is that they are the real deal. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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