Pugwash Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/200...aids/index.html Protesters here in Minneapolis have been targeted by a series of highly intimidating, sweeping police raids across the city, involving teams of 25-30 officers in riot gear, with semi-automatic weapons drawn, entering homes of those suspected of planning protests, handcuffing and forcing them to lay on the floor, while law enforcement officers searched the homes, seizing computers, journals, and political pamphlets. Wow, I thought you had laws against that kind of thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javelin Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Break in my door and its on cuz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Manny Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/200...aids/index.html Wow, I thought you had laws against that kind of thing? We do. Then we have the 2nd admendment to make sure the laws are being followed in the best interest of the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Ok I don't want to sound establishment like here but it sounds to me like something big is going down ie; police have received inside info on......say.....a soon to be launched bombing attempt. At least I hope this is the case, otherwise it is a very disturbing situation. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corgi Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Ok I don't want to sound establishment like here but it sounds to me like something big is going down ie; police have received inside info on......say.....a soon to be launched bombing attempt. Fromt the news story: " Each of the raided houses is known by neighbors as a "hippie house," where 5-10 college-aged individuals live in a communal setting [...] that they were filled with "peaceful kids" who are politically active...." Absolutely, Kenberg. Unlike what the hippies would have you believe, law enforcement officers don't just raid the houses of people they dislike. These kinds of initiatives require lots of resources, and are based on evidence gathered through painstaking research and investigation conducted by leading experts and professionals. Keeping families safe from law breakers is the job of the police, and I know what many of these college punks can do to wreak havoc in communities. I can only begin to imagine what kind of terror these ne'er-do-wells were inflicting upon their neighbors, but rest assured it definitely warranted professional intervention. I also doubt the accuracy of the article. I've never heard of "salon.com" but given that the author was inside one of these houses as the raids occurred seems like a conflict of interest to me in the line of objectivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmt Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Fromt the news story: Absolutely, Kenberg. Unlike what the hippies would have you believe, law enforcement officers don't just raid the houses of people they dislike. These kinds of initiatives require lots of resources, and are based on evidence gathered through painstaking research and investigation conducted by leading experts and professionals. Keeping families safe from law breakers is the job of the police, and I know what many of these college punks can do to wreak havoc in communities. I can only begin to imagine what kind of terror these ne'er-do-wells were inflicting upon their neighbors, but rest assured it definitely warranted professional intervention. I also doubt the accuracy of the article. I've never heard of "salon.com" but given that the author was inside one of these houses as the raids occurred seems like a conflict of interest to me in the line of objectivity. You're right. Not to mention that the feds don't typically have much influence over local police. I doubt this is true in all honesty. And if it is, its not complete. BTW, salon.com is a well known (relatively I guess) liberal web site. It's most famous alum is Jake Tapper, who you may have seen on (I think) NBC. So, it's not a nothing rag, but it ain't the NY Times (well actually, neither is the NY Times anymore!)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkerouac Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Actually, the most famous alumnus of Salon.com is Michael Kinsley, who I believe is the former editor of Salon.com.. I haven't seen any reports on the incident being discussed here, but my next stop was some of the news sites anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Free Tibet ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Free Tibet ! Ahh go suck an icypole... Kidding just kidding Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llsteve80 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Pug, did you change your avatar or does my new machine not display it properly? All other animated gifs work. Just wondering. And the story is told here also: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us/polit...amp;oref=slogin I'm going to go watch Escape from New York so I can see what life will be like for my kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Pug, did you change your avatar or does my new machine not display it properly? All other animated gifs work. Just wondering. It's a new avatar. I think I'm way too geeky for this crowd if no-one's got it just yet. As for the news item, time will tell whether or not it was a home-grown terror plot or a genuine abuse of power. Let's sit back and wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Break in my door and its on cuz! haha yeah they beat you down faster then you can say AA SORRY. We do. Then we have the 2nd admendment to make sure the laws are being followed in the best interest of the people. sure believe that as much as you like., truth is the freedom ones had in the US is all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 It's a new avatar. I think I'm way too geeky for this crowd if no-one's got it just yet. Am I right in thinking it's a variant of 'tracking/identification' technology, which, in it's most common form, is seen and known as a bar-code? haha yeah they beat you down faster then you can say AA SORRY. sure believe that as much as you like., truth is the freedom ones had in the US is all over. Indeed, all thanks to Dubya and the Patriot Act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmt Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Pug, did you change your avatar or does my new machine not display it properly? All other animated gifs work. Just wondering. And the story is told here also: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us/polit...amp;oref=slogin I'm going to go watch Escape from New York so I can see what life will be like for my kids. And here... http://www.startribune.com/politics/276952...UnciatkEP7DhUsr nothing new. Remember Chicago is 1968. This is no biggie as far as I can tell... would you rather we let them throw urine on the delegates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 nothing new. Remember Chicago is 1968. This is no biggie as far as I can tell... would you rather we let them throw urine on the delegates? Remember Kent State, 1970. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Funny (?) how we never heard a peep from the liberals when Janet Reno was the perpetrator of police state tactics. But now that they're on the receiving end, it's an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Funny (?) how we never heard a peep from the liberals when Janet Reno was the perpetrator of police state tactics. But now that they're on the receiving end, it's an issue. As I'm neither Liberal nor on the receiving end of US police tactics, this makes no sense. Oh, and what's a Janet Reno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 As I'm neither Liberal nor on the receiving end of US police tactics, this makes no sense. You need to learn more about the sources you quote to understand the comment, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 You need to learn more about the sources you quote to understand the comment, then. No news is unbiased. That's the way it is. I've read as many sides to the story as I could find. While the mainstream media seems to be picking up on the raid on the office, the fact that several houses (including raiding next-door to one place by mistake) were raided at the same time seems to be slightly below the radar. [censored]-ups happened and the police didn't quite do it right. This story isn't over by a long shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 No news is unbiased. That's the way it is. I've read as many sides to the story as I could find. I notice the author got his digs in against the Republicans at the end, and doesn't seem to know the difference between 'semi-automatic' and 'automatic'. While the mainstream media seems to be picking up on the raid on the office, the fact that several houses (including raiding next-door to one place by mistake) were raided at the same time seems to be slightly below the radar. [censored]-ups happened and the police didn't quite do it right. This story isn't over by a long shot. Good. It's time to reign in these thugs. We give them SWAT teams and expensive military toys, yet they still can't make a dent in gang crime? Oh and BTW, at Kent State the governor had to call in the National Guard to quell a riot. There really aren't any parallels between that and this SWAT madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Good. It's time to reign in these thugs. We give them SWAT teams and expensive military toys, yet they still can't make a dent in gang crime? Agreed, and I don't even live there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmt Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I notice the author got his digs in against the Republicans at the end, and doesn't seem to know the difference between 'semi-automatic' and 'automatic'. Good. It's time to reign in these thugs. We give them SWAT teams and expensive military toys, yet they still can't make a dent in gang crime? Oh and BTW, at Kent State the governor had to call in the National Guard to quell a riot. There really aren't any parallels between that and this SWAT madness. I agree with you, and trust me, I am no right-winger, but how do you know this is madness. Sounds like they are looking into a group planning some illegal activity, and are acting within the bounds of the law. I don't know enough to know for sure, of course, but the police should be able to stop anarchy before it starts based upon reliable information as long as they have the right warrants, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I agree with you, and trust me, I am no right-winger, but how do you know this is madness. Sounds like they are looking into a group planning some illegal activity, and are acting within the bounds of the law. I don't know enough to know for sure, of course, but the police should be able to stop anarchy before it starts based upon reliable information as long as they have the right warrants, etc... The house raids don't sound like they were done in a proper and legal manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I agree with you, and trust me, I am no right-winger, but how do you know this is madness. Sounds like they are looking into a group planning some illegal activity, and are acting within the bounds of the law. I don't know enough to know for sure, of course, but the police should be able to stop anarchy before it starts based upon reliable information as long as they have the right warrants, etc... Too much force for this situation (based on the current information at hand), in my opinion. This is something a group of uniformed officers can handle. SWAT is for hostage situations and other high risk encounters. And let me stress, the information currently available is very limited and very biased. It would be enlightening and interesting, for example, to see the affidavits used to get the warrants (if any). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Too much force for this situation (based on the current information at hand), in my opinion. This is something a group of uniformed officers can handle. SWAT is for hostage situations and other high risk encounters. And how, at this early stage, do we know that the info the police have doesn't point to one of these hippy groups as being an Al-Qaeda sleeper team? Just as an example. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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