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Is there anything going on today that would cause problems for US members loading RWG? I know it's not DNS server on my side, I switched from my ISP DNS server to openDNS and still can't load it. However, whenever I load from my VPN or tor, it works fine. This is the only site so far that I can't load. I'm going to clear my cache and cookies and try again, but before I waste any time, should I even bother?

Found this on another forum. Props to the OP

It's not your english, it's me typing faster than I think lol. All the reps look thicker than the gens. My friend is going to try to fit a genuine 16520 dial on the new 7750 seconds @ 9, correct for the 16520. I don't trust any of the seconds @ 6 movements, I only have interest in the older model. Hope that clears it up.

Thanks Dizzy. I been looking at pics of reps and gens, and the reps are a lot thicker. Someone is going to try to fit a Genuine 4030 dial on the new(er) 7750 with el primero spacing for me. Hopefully this week. So thats a start. I suspect that it won't fit into a case made for el primero, though. The El Primero 400 is only 6.5mm thick, while the 7750 is 7.9mm thick stock. With the added plates needed to move the gears, 9mm? (thats a guess). So I can, if I'm lucky, find an old secs @ 6 daytona? I suppose I could live with the thicker case, at the end of the day, all I want is a modern daytona that's not going to blow up. I don't want to get in to too many details and get people excited in case it doesn't pan out, but I'm really trying to figure out how to get one made for myself, and if I can, there's no reason it should be the only one

I see this is an old post, but maybe someone can answer. This "new" 7750 DEFINATELY has correct subdial spacing? And would anyone know if the movement is thicker or thinner than the incorrectly spaced seconds at 9 7750's? I would rather have a reliable seconds @ 9 daytona than the time bomb secs @ 6 any day. Is the 16520 that much thinner than the newer models that it would look wrong to use a 116520 case with 16520 dial and 7750 (correct or incorrect spacing)? Edit: I just read freddy's post, its the caseback that is the issue. Hmmm. Seems to be a tough obstacle to overcome, taking off the rotor assembly and finding a non-existent caseback. I'm going on a pic hunt now, if anyone can point me to some side by sides of cases in question that would be a great help.

This whole situation is weird, David doesn't even sell anything like that. Had to be the shipping company. Maybe someone else who ordered that part is scratching their head at the Tudor case. Alterego, I'm not sure I'd want a picture of my address posted here or anywhere on the internet, I would remove that one pic, personally.

So I'm the only one who likes this? I'm not big on the brown, but I'm guessing the leather on the band would match the interior of the car, black would probably look pretty good.

First wristie since, oh about 2008. Good to be back on here again though. Flying tourbillon from DW:

This is so cool, the new Bugatti slated for 2013 will include a tourbillon watch that transforms into the car's clock. I don't know whats cooler, the car or the watch. Two articles with videos for you: Link 1 Link 2 Please don't rep this watch, unless you can rep the car:

That would be awesome, short of buying an st-19 and actually trying, how could one go about finding out if it would fit? I've never had a V72 Daytona because of the cost of a V72. It would be nice to have properly spaced subdials, even if the counter at 6 is frozen. Edit to add: I found this: So the center of the subdials are apparently 7.81mm from the center of the dial on the ST19. No clue about the V72 though. I do suspect that if there was a cheaper alternative to the V72, besides the V23, people would have already been all over that.

Hands aren't neccesarily made for a specific movement, they just come in different sizes. For the DG3804. you want 200/152/100/17 You should be able to find the right hands somewhere from this page:http://www.ofrei.com/page483.html If you need to ask a question on the site, it's better to just call, Otto hates email and used to have a big warning about it in big red letters which actually sounded scary. It's toned down a little now haha.

According to this chart on wikipedia, the 2004 average salary was about 30k. A new daytona is about 9k, so thats about 29% of the average US salary. In 1960, the average salary was about 4k, making the daytona around 5% of the average Salary. 5% is still a high fraction of one's salary to be spending on one watch, but now there are more people in the US, and more who make enough money so that 9k isn't so much money. Hope this helps

I have to admit, no watch has ever been good enough for me, whilst one can always pick a watch that best fits their likes and appreciations, the perfect watch will only exist in said person's mind. This is my expression of such watch. Inspired by the Ebel discovery and Tudor Daytona, I present the SL Chrononaut. Just a sketch in reality, but I can see it like it is on my wrist as I type. Uploaded with ImageShack.us

I wish, I don't think I've even seen a crappy rep of this watch. The gyro is just too complicated to pull off, I think I read something about a 10 hour assemble for just that part. Any rep would be glaringly inaccurate. If anyone is interested, I've attached the bibliography to this post in a .txt file. I'm sure many of you read some of these articles already. Most of my sources are from the web, there is a severe lack of books that are readily available on the subject. bibliography.txt

T-MAN, yes, I wrote this for a class a few years ago, I was worried about posting it online right away because the school runs everything through copyscape and some other similar tool, and they can use the paper for up to a year for education, so I didn't want them finding me on here. I totally agree about watches being one of the only acceptable pieces of jewelery for men too, unless you are married. Thanks to everyone else too.

Masterpiece Watches Mechanical watches have always been a source of fascination for me. It is astonishing that someone could build something that is so small, and with so many parts that can still tell time accurately. But a watch is more than just an object that tells time, a watch can be technological masterpiece, a work of art, tell a story, or a combination of these things. The remarkable watches that are more than a device that tells time are all mechanical, meaning the entire watch is comprised of a conglomeration of gears, springs, levers, and other moving parts all working together to accurately reflect the passing of time. Many people take this for granted. What many may not realize is that clocks and watches were first produced before electricity was discovered. It is feasible, in our modern day, to have clocks with atomic accuracy, but that takes computers and advanced technology to accomplish. The heart of mechanical watches is a spring, and everything in the machine, or movement, is configured to display the correct time without the aid of computers or other modern technology. Some of these mechanical masterpieces have further complications, or features, that also enable the watch to tell the date, day, year and more. This all makes something to be appreciated, as all of this machinery must be able to fit on one’s wrist. Some parts and features of a watch have names that are unfamiliar to most. The dial is what has the numbers on it, sometimes called the face. The minutes, hours, and seconds are portrayed by hands that point to a specific location on the dial to show what time it is. The hands are run by the movement, which refers to the mechanism that drives the watch and regulates time. This is all contained in the case, which keeps the elements from destroying the delicate movement. Some watches also have extra features, such as date, day, stopwatch and any other feature that does something besides tell time. These additional functions are referred to as complications. One example of an often unheard of complication is the tourbillion, which is where the balance or heart of the watch rotates around an axis in order to compensate for the effect of gravity on the already delicate part that is essential to keeping accurate time. About 300 years before electricity was even used, between 1500 and 1510, the first portable clock, what could perhaps be known as a watch appeared. No known specimens of these original watches exist today. These watches were worn on a chain around the neck. None of the watches made between the 1500’s and 1900’s were exactly alike, as they were all handmade. Every single part had to be made by hand, one watch at a time, without the aid of modern tools and machinery. Complete mastery of how clocks and watches worked was needed in order make one that worked accurately. Watches were made individually like this up until the 1850’s, when an American company started making machined parts that were interchangeable. This eventually led to the capability to make wristwatches, what we generally think of as watches today, available when they were first necessitated due to portability during World War I. Men in the trenches found it easier to strap a watch on to their wrists than to fish around in the pocket for one. Prior to the war, it was only fashionable for women to wear wristwatches. An early example of handmade ingenuity is the repeater watch, which would “repeat” the hours, quarter hours, and minutes audibly. This is a technological masterpiece because the repeater originated in the days when people didn’t have an effective method of seeing watches after dark since electricity was not discovered yet. The first repeaters were produced sometime in the early 1700’s. Repeater watches work by a mechanism in the movement that has two hammers that strike the case or another part designed to act as a bell. The first hammer strikes the hours, 7:00 will be 7 strikes, then the other hammer, which strikes at a different pitch strikes the quarter hours, 7:30 will be 7 strikes, then 2 strikes, and finally the two hammers alternate to strike the minutes. One innovation included a pin that protruded from the watch that would strike the owners thumb when pressed, silencing the chime and allowing them to tell the time from their pocket. This mechanical innovation is important to note because it appeared before even the first light bulb was invented. It is amazing to think somebody was able to make something so complicated yet still fit in one’s pocket before Benjamin Franklin ever even flew his iconic kite in the thunderstorm. Repeating watches are great examples of early technological masterpieces. While repeating watches are early examples of technological masterpieces, the Rolex Daytona is an early example of a watch that tells a story. When a collector hears “Daytona,” they think of a story. The Daytona is a chronograph, or watch with stopwatch function added to it. The early models of the Daytona are referred to as “Paul Newman” Daytonas, which refer to Daytonas produced before 1989, when a new design was introduced (Massena, 2001). According to legend, Paul Newman wore one of these models in the 1969 racing movie Winning. Another theory is that he wore one of these Daytonas in the poster for the movie, neither which has been confirmed. (Newman himself does not recall how his name got attached to the watch). The only things confirmed are that Newman was a racing fan, and that he had owned several Daytonas in his lifetime. While the Daytona was not the first chronograph created, it may be the most famous. Rolex called their chronograph the cosmograph, and added markers to the outer rim of the case to help out race car drivers and their crews in calculating average lap speeds, hence the name Daytona, referring to the race track at Daytona Beach, FL. How Paul Newman’s name got attached to the watch may be a mystery, but Newman wore a Rolex for over 30 years and was an avid racing fan. Besides being a racing fan and actor, Newman was a known philanthropist in his day. His brand of salad dressing, Newman’s own, has donated over 125 million dollars to charity. In 1995, Newman won a race sponsored by Rolex; the Rolex 24H and received a new Daytona, which had the inscription “Rolex 24H at Daytona, Paul Newman, Rolex Motorsports Man of the Year, 1995.” Newman donated this prize to a charity auction, sponsored by Antiquorum, a watch auction house four years later. It is not hard to see how collectors gravitated towards naming such a legendary watch after such a legendary man. He won races, was a famous actor, and a notable philantropist. All of the history behind the watch and the man makes the Daytona one of the most iconic watches available, besides telling time, to many, it tells a story of timelessness, charity, and the life of a very inspirational man. Paul Newman, and The Paul Newman Daytona. Newman appears to be wearing his namesake watch in this picture. If the Daytona is the exemplary watch telling a story, the Patek Philippe Calibre 89 is the exemplary watch that is a work of art and a technological masterpiece. The Patek Cal 89, finished in 1989 to celebrate watch company Patek Philippe’s 150 year anniversary contains 1728 parts including 24 hands. The 3 pound pocket watch has 33 complications, including full calendar, leap year indicator, dual time zone, thermometer, moon phase indicator, time of sunrise and sunset for the given day, what day Easter will fall on, and even a star chart. It can be argued that something of this magnitude is also a technological masterpiece. Only four were produced, one each in platinum, white gold, yellow gold and rose gold. After construction of the watches, all the machinery used to produce them, as with all of the machinery for their limited edition watches was destroyed. All four were purchased by an unidentified royal family, but were later split up. This watch, with its almost unimaginable amount of parts and complications is truly a work of art. These watches took nine years to create, and necessitated an amount of craftiness, an art, and skill to produce. It is amazing to acknowledge all of these parts working together in harmony to display so many different complications at the same time. Patek Philippe spending nine years on this masterpiece watch is akin to Michelangelo spending years on his masterpiece, David. The front and back of the Patek Cal 89, respectively. Notice the star chart on the back as well as the date on the front with leap year indicator, noting how many years until leap year. While the Patek Cal 89 is a masterpiece and work of art pocket watch, a master watchmaker named Paul Gerber created the world’s most complicated wristwatch. Besides the obvious difference of being a wristwatch, the watch built by Gerber was made by an individual, not a company. The watch was specially commissioned by Lord Arran, who wanted to add additional functions to an already complicated watch. This would prove to be difficult, and needed both time and effort to complete. Gerber worked on one function alone, the chronograph, for eight years. The total time from start to finish to design, assemble, and test this watch is 14 years (Bosse, 2003, p4). Just the amount of time needed to finish this masterpiece is impressive. The watch is one of a kind, set in a platinum case, containing a chronograph, power reserve indicator, calendar, and minute repeater. The base of the watch is a 100 year old irreplaceable movement for which there are no blueprints or designs (Bosse, 2003, p3).Gerber had to carefully measure each dimension of this base in order to be able to design parts for it. Most of the parts were made specifically for this watch, and will likely never be used in any other. One part, the tourbillion, is at the time of Bosse’s article, the world’s smallest. The end result is a one of a kind masterpiece that required skill and artistry to create. This watch is both a work of art and a technological masterpiece; furthermore, one man had to pour 14 years into perfecting it in order to make sure it was done correctly on the first try, as there would be no other tries available. Gerber’s ultra complicated watch is definitely one of a kind, and is the perfect example of artistry and mastery in the world of watches. The ultra complicated movement of Gerber’s creation. This is only the back; much more is hidden in between here and the dial. The golden wheel on the bottom left is the tourbillon, the smallest ever made for a watch. This is what the watch looks like assembled, with a see through case back designed to show off the movement. Another watch that portrays both skill and artistry is the Jaeger-LeCoultre Gyrotourbillon. This watch features a multi-axis tourbillion. Again, a tourbillion is a watch in which the main time keeping part rotates around an axis to compensate for the differences in gravity when one moves their wrist. The Jaeger-LeCoultre Gyrotourbillon takes the concept a step further, with the balance rotated around multiple axis (DeCorte, 2005, Part 1). Ron DeCorte, a watchsmith, moderator, and author at perhaps the most respected watch collector community website, was able to have an inside look at this limited edition watch before it hit the market. In his article on the experience he states “The Gyrotourbillon (Gyro) is the brainchild of Eric Coudray and designer Magali Métrailler. Their collaboration of engineering and design is cased in a modest sized platinum package that is easy on the eyes and the wrist. Visually, the complex mechanical attributes of the Gyro are presented in a mature and natural way without being overly dramatic or busy. Internally, the complexity is mind- boggling, having almost 600 parts and requiring a totally new engineering direction from top to bottom. The Gyro will be produced in a limited series of 75 watches, total, over the next 5 years.” Besides the one of a kind gyrotourbillon, the watch also has a calendar and a feature called a power reserve that shows how many days power are left before the owner has to wind the watch. One thing that makes tourbillons hard to produce is that they require a larger amount of power than traditional watches. The gyrotourbillon is even more complicated of a piece of machinery so it needs even more than the traditional tourbillon. Interestingly, the time we read can be different than solar time, or the time that would be found on a sundial. The Gyrotourbillon has a “solar” hand, that refers to what time it is according to the sun, which is off by a maximum of 16 minutes, the difference in our actual time being due to the Earth’s semi-elliptical orbit around the sun. This watch actually is able to figure out, with the help of the calendar, what time a sun dial would show on any given date. Further complicating the movement is that the calendar is perpetual, meaning that it automatically compensates for leap year. All of these complications, fitted into an object that fits on the wrist are a display of craftsmanship and skill. Even more, the designers were able to add all of these things together in a manner that is pleasing to the eye, which also makes it a work of art. This is the JLC Gyrotourbillon, in its Platinum case. To fully appreciate this watch, it is best to see a video of the complicated gyrotourbillon. One can be found here: These watches, while they still tell time, all have another purpose. They reflect ingenuity, craftsmanship, artistry and history. The minute repeater was introduced in a time where people usually did not have portable light, a time before electricity, the Daytona reminds people of Paul Newman and his connection with racing, philanthropy, and of course Rolex, and the Patek and Gerber watches show the world what can be done with skill and craftsmanship. Watches like these are collectable and important for their various reasons. Whether they are works of art, technological masterpieces, or tell an amazing story, they are all more than something that just serves the purpose to tell time.

Well, it's the first weekend of summer break after my second year at college. I actually have time to post so I thought I'd drop in and say hi to the people that I spent all that internet time with. School is so time consuming that I don't have time for a job during the semesters, but hey, "With University Honors" is going to look great on that diploma when I get it. (Oh, and weekends don't count towards degrees haha, so I still have fun.)Looks like I have a job for the summer so I'm good with that and I'll be looking for a 2nd job as well. As for my watches ummm...sorry boys I'm rockin a fossil now. Not that I want to but hey, whose going to buy this right? I sold my MB sports chrono to a buddy (God I miss that one)and traded my GMTII Ceramic for a newish BB storm when mine crapped out. I still have a 16014 franken to finish, but I don't see it happening any time soon; besides funds, I kinda forgot how to build a watch lol. I think I may start hangin out here again, I just stay away because it drives me nuts seeing all these reps I want, hey wait, do they make replica reps?!? But anyway, I see most of the guys I used to talk to are still here, good to see you all and good to see you're still in the game. Hope you will be here still when I get back in it after school is done. PS. Domain change? Thank you redirects, I don't want to lose this place. Edit: Oh and if anyone can point me towards somethings that came out in the past year that I may drool over, point the way

The 2813 is ok, the 4813 is better. There is a seller on ebay selling what LOOKS to be a 4813 with the datewheel overlay already attached, however, I'm not sure if it has the higher canon pinion, 4th wheel and hour wheel needed to make sure the hands clear the markers. If you buy from ofrei, they all come with the lower hands parts installed and they will not work at all. But the one on ebay is 24.99, thats not too bad since you get to skip the headache of gluing a datewheel on. Item #200363264233

I can't post this online, or for my downfall, it will come down as 100% identical to online, which to my professors equals plagiarism or links me to a supposedly illegal site, either way, not a fan. Much of what i know and was able to speak or write about came from here and the gen sites i was pointed to by members, an interview with a great member, lets just say I couldn't have even started without this place. If you would like to see an A speech and an A- research paper ( that teacher was a bi*ch btw) message me and I'll attach a copy. DO NOT post it anywhere, college grading/plagarism/whateverthefuk systems use a program that crawls the web like google. This is for people who have known me, or people who like reading as much as they can, not to share out side of the community. Love you guys, and I'll be around when I graduate haha, Steve

Ok, so I decided I would do a speech on the evolution of the daytona. I love them, but only owned a DW 7750. Not really to into the whole 50/50 shot of the seconds at 6 moderns breaking. But anyway, I'd love to interview a self proclaimed daytona expert for this speech. I won't use real names, or mention the forums, etc. It would just be cool to be able to talk to someone who knows way more than I can learn for this. Interviews count as research and has to be cited, so I wouldn't be plagiarizing anyone. It would be cool if someone could also point me in the right direction about some reliable sources like books that I can reasearch and quote also. Thanks.

I had this one, but I sold it to a friend. Now I'm thinking about buying a new one. Turns out I really miss this one. Montblanc Sports Chrono

If it's fake, report it. Ebay is trigger happy these days. I've had some gen parts (rolex) cancelled for "trademark infringement" and no matter what they wouldn't relist it for me. I put them back up and sold them, but they were totally bogus calling that stuff replica. I also tried to sell some of my DVD's, and a few got knocked down for the same thing. To me, it seems it only takes a few dumb asses to get your legitimate auction knocked down, so why not something that is really fake?

He'll probably replace the dial. Scratches and all that I would not live with. No gen dial would be scratched on a new watch.

New watches so I don't miss class....HA. Good idea. Maybe a calculator watch for math then? It was 7 degrees F out last night. Kind of wished I was in Hilo already.

Can't help but mention what a great setting it was too.