ajoesmith Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I was just looking through the trade section and came across a member who was interested in a watch that was for sale. The watch had an Asian ETA 2836 movement. One member replied saying they wanted to buy it then..... The same member replied saying 'Sorry, Im backing out as I thought it was Swiss ETA' I was surprised as I thought most people already knew that most if not all so called Swiss ETA 2824 or Swiss ETA 2836 movements that we find in our reps today are Clone/Copy 2824/2836 movements. Why do people even bother to pay the extra money to get the same movement as the cheaper Asian ETA version? Are you trying to kid yourselves into thinking that it is Swiss ETA and the Chinese wont copy ETA movements and stamp them ETA? They already do it with the Asian Clone/Copy version why not pass these off as Swiss ETA? no one will be the wiser. I actually don't think its the dealers fault either, they are just buying stock from the factory, its the factory that is telling the porky pies (lies). No dealer has the time to check all movements. Oh but some will say that 'Eurotimez' checks all his movements and they are Swiss ETA. Maybe he does check them and can guarantee that they are Swiss ETA but he is one dealer in a haystack of dealers, and ALL of them claim to sell Swiss ETA - Whats going on? One that caught my eye recently is the new avenger Seawolf that dealers are selling. Supposedly Swiss ETA at $378 plus postage. http://www.tt88time.com/index.php?main_pag...roducts_id=3764 I would bet a pretty penny that that watch does NOT have a Swiss ETA in it! So why do people still continue to FUSS over Swiss ETA? If you buy a rep advertised as Swiss ETA 99% of the time your getting a CLONE/COPY ETA Here are a few pics of the so called clone movements that I have. These ones dont have the ETA markings and as per the ETA Gen/Copy guide they are copies but well you can make your own mind up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegra Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 members... most of us kind people want to believe in good will relying on what their seller say (trust) and ultimately get something without ever knowing the truth... but i personally don't want to hear members on this but rather experts as The Zigmeister or someone else... i still believe when they say swiss eta it is even if this after your post seems so naive.... John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URkuk Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I asked that question to a dealer here is the reply: Re: 16610 movement Postby support on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:52 pm Gentlemen: One of values buying a Watchmaker9's timepiece is that you get a genuine Swiss ETA movement. And, sorry guys, we just don't use China made, Japan made, whatsoever made low quality movements. The 2678, 21 Jewels movement we are implementing in our new 08 M & Z serial Submariner lines is genuine ETA, made in Switzerland. A lot of people think our products are expansive. Well, to those people complainting our timepieces are too expansive, some even called us scammers, all I can say is to "buy from the Chinese". George Watchmaker9 support team Truth or BS? I'll find out in March when the watch is serviced by The Zigmeister Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niss4u2nv Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 HAHA WOW I'm staying out of this one But back in the day I had many reps with GEN ETA movements Hard to come across today though Ill leave it at that but they are out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 members... most of us kind people want to believe in good will relying on what their seller say (trust) and ultimately get something without ever knowing the truth... but i personally don't want to hear members on this but rather experts as The Zigmeister or someone else... i still believe when they say swiss eta it is even if this after your post seems so naive.... John You need to wake up and smell the coffee By a so called swiss ETA from the 'trusted' dealers on here and other forums not BK or eurotimez and see if you get one, id be surprised if you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakemaster Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Yes they believe it. They also believe a bunch of other things too. Like dealers carry stock. That the 4813 is a superior movement to the 2813. That there is QC on a dropshipped piece. That dealers have their own special factories so dealer A's stuff is 'better' than dealer B's. Thus 'their' A7750 or GMTIIc will not blow up. It goes on and on. And as I said before everyone thinks they know better so no matter how many times you tell them these things they just dismiss it. It's that whole can't make a horse drink thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegra Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 You need to wake up and smell the coffee By a so called swiss ETA from the 'trusted' dealers on here and other forums not BK or eurotimez and see if you get one, id be surprised if you do You think was all the time like that...? i feel like stalone left out from the cryo prison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 You think was all the time like that...? i feel like stalone left out from the cryo prison It wasnt always like this. A couple of years ago swiss ETA in a rep meant Swiss ETA and at around $150, now its $350+ and its not even Swiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegra Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 It wasnt always like this. A couple of years ago swiss ETA in a rep meant Swiss ETA and at around $150, now its $350+ and its not even Swiss i know thats why i said it , dont look my post count... remember the dealer terror via members ... the no soup for you slogan... i remember telling something about MBW and suddenly all members went mad.. you can check ecplaza for rep factories ... but i think you need the dealer ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niss4u2nv Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 It wasnt always like this. A couple of years ago swiss ETA in a rep meant Swiss ETA and at around $150, now its $350+ and its not even Swiss Agreed I have been researching reps since the mid 90's and that is true even paul and EL and some of the others used to sell some reps with GEN SWISS ETA BUt even then it was sometimes hit and miss i had seen a yacht master from a friend that paul had claimed SWISS ETA and it was a octo 17 jewel Movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 yup - people believe it. i generally, try to explain that swiss eta, just means, its less likley to have hair and dirt in the movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 yup - people believe it. i generally, try to explain that swiss eta, just means, its less likley to have hair and dirt in the movement Absolutely definite. Speaking of which, what kinda hair? Anyhow, Seagulls run just as well as them ETAs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 What do you make of this? Here is the full link http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?p=1547711 Look at this picture of a Seagull ETA CLone, Hangzhou clone and a real ETA Please pay special attention to the auto assembly gears. Apparently there were an easy tell between Clone and real ETA, now i think not...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 What do you make of this? Here is the full link http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?p=1547711 Look at this picture of a Seagull ETA CLone, Hangzhou clone and a real ETA Please pay special attention to the auto assembly gears. Apparently there were an easy tell between Clone and real ETA, now i think not...... Yep... It was after reading thru the thread in this link that i realised my so-called eta2824-2 was actually a seagull! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiker01 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 What do you make of this? Here is the full link http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?p=1547711 Look at this picture of a Seagull ETA CLone, Hangzhou clone and a real ETA Please pay special attention to the auto assembly gears. Apparently there were an easy tell between Clone and real ETA, now i think not...... WOW AJ! Thanks, Dude! You always learn something! Hike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corgi Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I believe that some watches still contain ETA movement; but unless it has a see through caseback, I'm going for the cheapest alternative every time. Back in the day I believed it, and likely most of my old watches do have ETAs, but now I wouldn't bet on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Thanks for the link to the watchuseek discussion on the comparison between the Seagull, Hangzhou and ETA, AJ. That was a pretty thorough disection and very informative. Picking up a Seagull or Hangzhou would be cool- those will be the new 'spares' for our watches in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLudlowe Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 The fact is, the newer Seagull ST-24's and the updated A7750's are pretty damn good movements, cleaned and properly oiled they will give excellent service. Perhaps ten years ago it was worth it to hunt out a Swiss ETA, but now I ask for the Seagull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakortheblue Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 how about the eta movements sold by ofrei and cousinsuk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 i got an asian mov't today - had both hair and dirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 good luck getting a "real" ETA movement unless its from a dealer that builds custom watches like WM9 or BK or Eurotimez etc. If you buy from any of the "factory supplied" dealers then i doubt there is any ETA stock left. I also DOUBT that watch If you do actually get an ETA it will probably be a refurb or one taken out of another watch. You know when you get an ETA movement and its all rusty?? haha yep used/old/mishandled movement. I also doubt that the movement in that watch mentioned in the first post is real ETA. I just buy Asian now... they all seem to work just fine, especially the non chronograph movements.. even the newer A7750's seem to be more reliable than before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 good luck getting a "real" ETA movement unless its from a dealer that builds custom watches like WM9 or BK or Eurotimez etc. If you buy from any of the "factory supplied" dealers then i doubt there is any ETA stock left. I also DOUBT that watch If you do actually get an ETA it will probably be a refurb or one taken out of another watch. You know when you get an ETA movement and its all rusty?? haha yep used/old/mishandled movement. I also doubt that the movement in that watch mentioned in the first post is real ETA. I just buy Asian now... they all seem to work just fine, especially the non chronograph movements.. even the newer A7750's seem to be more reliable than before were you looking for the term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 The more important question, in my mind anyhow, is whether or not these faux swiss movements are fully compatible with genuine ETA parts.... If so, then I don't really care if they're ETA or not in the first place given that they're serviceable and repairable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Apparently all the parts are NOT interchangable... that bring the BIG question to the table... WTF? lol I wonder if they are assembled "dry" or improperly oiled like the A7750? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 with the cost of servicing being MORe than the cost of a new movement and sometimes a new watch - i go the new watch route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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