Mardo Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 As a new member on the site still feeling my way around dealers and modders I personally applaud the admins for 3 reasons: 1. Making inside discussions about the legitimacy of members soliciting business public 2. Spending time to discuss the situation privately and determine the proper course of action 3. Protecting/Warning the community and putting its members not in the know first Ultimately people will make their own decisions but I will put my faith, although somewhat blindly, on their use of discretion in these matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted February 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) I feel that i have to reply here and that there are always two sides to a story. Ill try to make this brief as it a long story! I was here happily at RWG and was a member of the community here like everyone else. At that particular time I was a student, a mature one i might add im not 19 years old. I was selling watch movements, ETA 7750, Asian 7750, Asian DG4813's. I was approached by the admin about having dealer status. I simply declined as i couldn't afford dealer status as it was a monthly payment and the profits i was getting from the sale of movements were not tat great. I was then told that i had to either become a dealer or stop selling stuff on the forum. Of course i wasn't happy. RWG admin had no clue as to what profits i was making and the actual volume of sales were very, very low. This is a hobby for me too you know not a full time job. Im happy to support RWG via the supporter donation but not via monthly payments for reasons stated above. Back dorr dealing? you might want to explain this. I then listed my own personal watch for sale in the trade section and it was removed. I PMed admin to ask why they reiterated that to sell i must have dealer status. Bu ti have supporter status and its my own personal watch which I am allowed to sell. Admin replied that to sell i must have dealer status. As you can imagine i was very unhappy. I again asked why? same answer, so i said ok, if i cant sell on the forum like any other supporter then i would like a refund of my supporter fee. Around this time i was approached, yes approached i didnt ask for it, the repgeek admin about becoming a dealer on repgeek. I was very surprised and honored but how much did it cost i replied. their reply was FREE! So of course i accepted. THIS IS WHY I HAVE DEALER STATUS ON REPGEEK! Its FREE not because i sell in large volumes etc, i dont have any monthly payments to pay. As for Mike's (TT) 4 chapters of what happened, well he likes to paint a very bad picture and chose his words wisely to explain all the chapters. As for having no clue about AR coating, what are you talking about? Think for yourself why am i starting AR coating? It certainly not for the profit, ask Chief. In fact he has warned me that its actually more hassle than worth! But no i persevere. Jakob has done a runner, he was trusted pfff..Chief has other things to do. I need AR and so do others lets see what we can do for the community, not for myself!. I hunted AR Labs in Australia, some were crap and they had no idea what questions i was asking! I found one and you can see it in the video, id post it here but this forum only accepts youtube video and not other embedded videos. In the meantime i contacted anther lab and they def. know what they are doing! They understood all my questions and can do exactly what we want. So before you say i have no idea what im doing get all the facts. I have re read your words in the 4 chapters and they are not nice, and you are admin of this forum. Have i been that disrespectful to you? I don't think so. Anyway, enough said, if Admin choose to close this then so be it. I have no hard feelings at all for anyone but it seems that Admin have for me, i dont know Edited February 14, 2009 by ajoesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I will not lie to you we are the 'guinea pigs'. We have a different approach on RWG. We like to see finished product and happy clients before offering a service to the membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted February 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 We have a different approach on RWG. ok i see, so there are 2 options. Option 1 - Get a sample for this AR Lab and pay full price for 1 sample around US$1000, price for 1 is the same as price for 20 Option 2 - as above but split the cost with 20 members. Another AR coating service is required Chief is busy and Jakob has done a runner. I am being honest in saying we are the guinea pigs, its true. It is a risk, people take risks everyday. RWG is now 100% risk free? come on. Im not intentionally ripping people off or exposing them to a scam. Its AR coating for gods sake! Things could go wrong that all i was saying when i said 'we are the guinea pigs' Anyway enough is enough, Im happy to do AR on RWG despite what feelings i have for admin and vice versa. If admin want this then ok if not then please close this thread as it a waste of everyone's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted February 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Id also like to add that I made a comparison to another member 'Defender 110', who was at the same time and still is as far as i know, selling ETA 7750's, Genuine Breitling Dials and Bezels etc. This member is NOT a dealer on RWG but sells multiple movements and parts freely on RWG. This made me very disappointed in the admin as i pointed this out to them in a PM but it was ignored. It was disappointed in RWG as it seems there are different rules for different people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 We all know there is two types of people in this world givers and takers. There are very many wonderful givers on this and the other boards but Ajoe is one of the minority takers, he has shown, repetitively, that he has no concern for our community outside of what it can bring him. What he doesn't tell you is that we turned a blind eye to his sales for a very long time and only moved on him when it was starting to get serious. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave123 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Let's get something clear here... Being able to do business here is a privilege not a right... AJoe was offered a spot over a year ago and he snubbed it over the fee... He then continued to back door deal which almost got him booted permanently from the forum... He picked up his ball and moved over to RG full-time, as a dealer I might add... He did this after causing strife over the POTR auctions and taking personal shots at me, as well as getting a refund on his "Supporter" fee... Not one of the folks on the Admin Team was unhappy when he moved on... Chapter 2: After months of not posting here he shows up and starts posting again - quite a bit in a weeks time... Then out of the blues he sends a request to become a dealer... We discussed his application at length in Admin and came to a unanimous decision... And that was that his application was rejected because of all the above issues... He was informed that he could re-apply after 6 - 12 months, at which time we would look at his participation level within the community... After that communication was delivered to him by Cornerstone, he picked up his ball and left [again]... The man could care less about what he can do for this community... He only cares about what it can do for him... Chapter 3: Go read his loop over at RG... He doesn't have the foggiest of what in the hell he's doing on this AR deal... And he all but admits it... Why we would expose our members to that level of risk... Chapter 4: Chief has been a faithful participant of this community... He more than pays his way financially... He's had zero complaints... And is an all around great guy and contributer... Why would we just set back and let AJ waltz in here and rape his business... Enough said, Double T . Well said. I like Ajoe as a forum member at RG,but in reading his thread about getting his AR run going,he doesn't seem overly confident in it,and then wonders why the responce was lousy,i was going to point that out in his thread there. I personally would like to see how it turns out,and mentioned that instead,but i agree about the points in regards to B.,he is the man and Ajoe has some real shoes to try to fill on this project,a big good luck to him on that one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I don't understand the fact that a dealer on another forum makes a move on RWG .. ?? I am from the school of thought that loyalty comes with time and results etc. .. and Chief has done all that with the members here and has been loyal and followed the rules with the Admin Team, ergo RWG. I found this "sales" thread in a way, disrespectful and ethically embarrasing .. nothing against AJ .. it's not about you as a person, but about the content and delivery. perhaps checking with the Admin Team first would of been in order.. and if you have issues with the Admin Team, then that would mean issues with RWG, because by disrespecting the Admin Team ,that would be in a way .. disrespecting us all. Sorry, I just cannot sit by and say nothing when it would appear that all that is happening here is "Sales" .. and there is a place for that (in mass) that would be in the dealer section. It appears that by not following the guidelines that all "dealers" do .. one may be saying "I don't care" Maybe it would be best to leave this sign up sheet on RG .. if you cannot get the numbers you need .. that is an issue that should be left to you and RG's membership .. I'm sure members here are free to go to other forums and do whatever they feel they are free to do... but to bring this type of issue here .. does not seem right.. just ma gut feeling .. nothing else As for me, that's just ma 02 and I will stay with Chief and RWG. Respectfully Lani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted February 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Lani you have put that in a very good and respectful way. Why were we not communicating a long time ago when all this flared up? I agree with every word you have said as you have said it in a respectful manner and i should have contacted RWG admin to see if it was ok. I apologize for any inconvenience/aggravation i may have caused by doing this. Admin you may close/delete this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Admin you may close/delete this thread. Actually we have discussed that as well in private... And the decision was made to leave it here for all to read... TT PS: I've turned off your PM privileges... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailboss Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 PS: I've turned off your PM privileges... Col. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Lani you have put that in a very good and respectful way. Why were we not communicating a long time ago when all this flared up? I agree with every word you have said as you have said it in a respectful manner and i should have contacted RWG admin to see if it was ok. I apologize for any inconvenience/aggravation i may have caused by doing this. Admin you may close/delete this thread. for what it's worth, this entire thread was really unecessary, it main focus was to "push buttons",... Yes, you should of contacted the Admin Team.. but then again you probably would of known the answer straight away. Sorry AJ, patronizing is not ma way,... going after the Admin team and Chief in this manner is going after me too.. as I believe we stand "United".. One heart~One Community if anyone thinks they can break ranks in RWG with petty games.. then they had better think again.. this whole thread and so called AR sign up, seems to have been for "effect" with no purpose or substance. I wish you luck AJ.. in whatever you enter into... But I believe RWG stands firm in the knowledge that we have the best Admin Team and the Best AR service right here. Aloha~Cheers Lani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 @lanikai . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 @lanikai . +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Thanks for the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Well seeing my PM has been turned off and im a just a taker and not a giver Can someone please relay to Stephane that always a taker and never a giver 'Ajoe' has sent him a bell and Ross case front screw free of charge as he asked me for one last week. It was posted last week and should arrive soon. 了解 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Well seeing my PM has been turned off and im a just a taker and not a giver Can someone please relay to Stephane that always a taker and never a giver 'Ajoe' has sent him a bell and Ross case front screw free of charge as he asked me for one last week. It was posted last week and should arrive soon. 了解 無論什麼... 答：我們是好如果你只是離開歐塞爾 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave123 Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Well Ajoe,though you have nice t its,it seems you have been given the subtle boot here. And in chinese as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 無論什麼... 答：我們是好如果你只是離開歐塞爾 . Nice try but it was Japanese not Chinese and it simply means 'Over and out' or in Japanese 'Ryoukai'. Can someone pass the message onto Stephane about the B&R screw. forget that ill email him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolexman Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 There goes our last source for good AR. So it seems.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaPOFL Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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