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I guess I could respond now, since It's 3 pages long...... I admit I missed the scratch, and I have no idea how it got scratch; my suspicion is when I packed it I folded the strap in such a way that buckle rubbed on the CB. My BAD! But please, all read our PMs back and forth and you be the judge if I tried to get out of the said mistake:received pam 359 today - RWG Forum.pdf My point is: I don't want to offer him any more discount and he's so admant in wanting so. I picked up a bad vibe with the buyer and I just don't wanna deal with him anymore, god forbid something else will arise in the future! Enough said! BTW: to the buyer....refund is off the table!!!

I would be disappointed too, but I would wear it anyway. The scratch is not visible. I would then spend some time searching for a replacement case back. It will take some time, but think of the satisfaction when you finally find one and install it.

Marty getting lost in the woods over the buyer said this seller said that is pointless here is what was not done "there is a flaw, scratches on back of the case back you can see them in the pics" end of story. When you show me that in the sales post thread you got a case if not you do not as Rolexman has pointed out.

I have enjoyed reading hikes posts for many years, and i too believe he is a stand up guy. his offer for a full refund proves that. I also see that the community often is harsh with a newer members raising questions about deals with older members, and more often than not is that harsh respons to the newbie warranted. In this case i feel that the OP proposed the facts quite good - gave both a good description of what was the issue, and how it was proposed remedied - with a humble attitude. sometimes i like to take a step back and turn the situation around, what would be the forum consensus if the senior member was to receive "this case" from a junior member.. side note, regardless of stated in this case or not: MD2020 ; "been worn twice" does not imply that its in great shape! ??.. come on man, thats horse manure!

There are a lot of folks here on this forum who are gen owners. In fact I have at the moment 14 gens and 6 reps. there have been times when the numbers were reversed, and a few years ago, I sold all of my reps except 2 and only had gens.I got back into reps about 5-6 years ago, and for the most part have only modded/franken ones. Quite frankly, I have never worried about other people and what they thought about my watches either gen or rep. As Krusty said, at some point in your life you realize that no one cares, no one really knows, and unless you are working with a bunch of Rolex addicts, the average person can't tell a Rolex from a Timex. When you have that epiphany in your life where you quit worrying about what others think, or what others percieve, it is a truly refreshing feeling. I don't worry about fakes of anything. At my age and my profession, I can carry off just about any watch, except for something like Nadal's Richard Mille!!!! My feelings are the folks who really look down on reps are probably for the most part, pretty vain shallow folks who are lacking in self confidence, and use their cars, clothes, watches, etc. as pretty lame attempts to be something they aren't. I know around here, back in the early 80's the Rolex Day Dates were very popular. We had a lot of people in the Oil and gas business, and wearing a Gold "President" was a symbol to everyone that "you had arrived". unfortunately, the price of oil and gas fell through hte floor, lots of the independents went under, and before long the pawn shops were full of Gold Day Dates!! I bet most of the guys who hocked their watches, realized after a while that the Seiko or Bulova did just as good a job of keeping time, and that not a soul noticed that they were Rolexless!! One of the things that has gotten me a little more interested in Gens is some of the small makers like MKII and Ocean7 are producing some pretty neat watches at a very good price point. Another thing, the gens are easier to get worked on. Any competent watchmaker can take an ETA movement down and parts are readily available. Most of them are very water resistant right out the box, so you don't have to do anything to them except wear them.

My "new" Tudor 7924

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If you don't already, you should have one of these in your watchbox. I don't know much about it yet, but I like it...

Thanks everyone again for all of the input. i am glad plenty saw it objectively and threw my point of view. A small refund obviously isnt going to happen but thats fine. Ask for better pictures lesson learned. And you can tell how is mood changed quickly and has stayed that way even in his post on this thread. Obviously this wont be resolved in any way as HIke has stated

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LOL, Z! That's what happens when you sell all your stash!

Trader rules... The 'money back' offer rights all wrongs and if it is declined, the buyer now owns an 'as is' watch by their own choice. MB offers often carry a time limit for good reason. If a partial refund is offered by the seller and the buyer accepts it...the buyer now owns an 'as is' watch by their own choice at a lower price. If the buyer ignores the MB offer and moves straight to asking for a partial refund, it is up to the seller to still honor the MB offer and/or negotiate a partial refund. If a partial refund is asked for by the buyer after the MB offer is declined...the buyer now owns the watch by choice and no reply is necessary unless the seller wants to negotiate. Since the watch in question did have a few undisclosed scratches, maybe shipping could be refunded by the seller if the MB offer is accepted (at least one way) but this is always up for debate. If the watch is accurately described and it turns out to be a case of Buyers Remorse "I don't like the watch", and the seller offers to take it back for a full refund...the buyer should eat the shipping both ways or at least one way. Test drives are not free and there is always the danger of shipping damage/loss and parts swapping (very hard to prove). This is why omega puts a dot of red paint between the case and caseback on new watches...to tell if someone has been screwing with the watch when it comes in for warranty work.

I'm a little bit torn in these situations as I bought a watch last year where the seller said it had been worn for a week and looked in excellent condition from the selective photos. When I received it there were lots of scratches and small dinks all over prominent areas of the nicely brushed case.... so I hate non-disclosure with a passion. I asked the seller if in that week he had worn it building a house or laying motorways? One persons minor wear is not the same as another person and this is where problems can arise. I'm sure in this case it is more of a situation of simple error rather than selective concealment. Hike is a good guy and has been around a long time isn't the 'type' that does that above. However I do agree with above that refund is not always the end of the perfect solution to these situations, simple agreed discount is often better as full refund ends up with both parties back where they started and still loosing postage/fees and time.

I disagree with many of the posters. The buyer was misled by not mentioning the scratches. That is a serious flaw of the watch. Period. This is not mended by offering a refund AFTER the buyer has gone to a whole process of messages, payment, and potentially returning the watch. It woudl be a different story if the watch was scratched during the delivery process which is obvioulsy not the case. I believe it is a fair suggestion to reduce the price.

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Miagi made a really good point. Hike and I go back all the way to RWG I and he is a stand up guy. Maybe just a bad call of judgement. For gods sake we all make some from time to time. I told a member to F off yesterday after he made a dozen of enquieies about servicing a watch and than never had the decency to reply back. We talked about it and I appologized. We are all humans and have different stuff going on in our lives, besides this board. We sometimes tend to forget. Mutual understanding is mandatory for a good sales transaction. That also applies to Hike. As long as I can remember the golden rule with each sale thread is " full disclosure" and those two scratches are worth mentioning in a sales post (if they were there). Period. So from a noob perspective I can fully understand Amanamon that if the 'mood' of a seller changes you get a bad feeling about sending a watch back. Costing you extra shipping and risking not getting your money back. There is no doubt in my mind this will get resolved soon.

New member from Bozeman, MT. Thanks to the people who moderate and take the time to keep this great forum going.

Aman, don't feel bad. It's understandable that you're disappointed that your buy didn't go exactly as planned. However, be happy that your watch is good minus the scratches. Don't think anyone is getting on you for being dissatisfied, because you're the one who spent money, so you're entitled to state your feelings. Just take the whole situation into perspective and you'll realise that your original post and the title could have been stated in a different way, if not done away with altogether.

I understand aman might be upset about the response to his issue, and I also understand that the scratches should have been mentioned, but It might not warrant a complaint. The seller gave you an alternative and you would have been made whole if you took him up on it. In doing so, He accepts that he might have been in the wrong. That alone makes this thread unnecessary. But that's just me.

Bottom line is you asked for cash back to compensate for the scratches and he did one better by offering you a refund. So what seems to be the problem?

I was going to 'Like' this comment, but merely liking it wouldn't do it justice. You hit the nail on the head, iCoop. Ditto to Dieselpower & Panerai153. Well said gentlemen.

Well, nearly as good as new The shop that did the original spray, contrary to request to paint it the original color, mixed a custom color that seems to be impossible for the paint company to match. So, now, the car has a slightly off-color door panel (where the car wash damage occurred). By the way, the reason I only 'semi' restored the Z is because it has been my daily beater (& looked like it prior to the semi-restoration) for 3 decades & I did not want to end up with a show quality car that I would be affraid to drive or park. But, as my car wash experience illustrates, no matter how careful you are, sooner or later, they will get you.

Ha, ZK - I actually get that a lot, not sure why, oh well. Talked to the insurance and a hit and run goes under collision which is a $1000 deductable rather than my usual $300 for incidental. When I found realized it was going to be $1000 bucks I immediately thought about the watches I wouldn't get to buy with that grand! SGT - that sounds a lot worse than what this person did but I've already started sluthing and should be able to figure out who hit my car. Hockey game between two towns (all minors, so their parents would be driving) just show up to the next game they play and look for the damaged minivan and hope the driver isn't a big dude!

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more rolerai today!

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Many, many years ago I posted up pics of a "finally got it" watch. Demsey came in late and posted something I'll never forget. It was along the lines of... You know the Indiana Jones movie where they haul out the Ark of the Covenant and everyone gathers around while they pry it open? Then everyone gazes at the spectacle ... the wonder of what lies before them ... as their faces melt off? Yeah, that's what I'm feeling right now.

Yeah we're pretty fortunate up here on the mountain, point down into the trees and go XC skiing, or point up toward the ridge line with snowshoes. I saw a lynx chasing a snowshoe hare in the trees, that was pretty cool too.

why has no one said this... buy the rep. the PO. take the $1500. travel to London? or maybe instead, rent a limo to take you and your GF to a fancy hotel room for a night? champagne on ice? or spend $100 on driving say an Aston Martin around a racetrack? either way, you'll feel more like James Bond doing any of those things with a rep on your wrist than being broke + rocking a gen Omega. I promise you, after a bottle of champagne in your room at the Ritz (or the W, the Four Seasons, whatever) your GF won't be scrutinizing the rehaut space on the rep.

M@T, the strength of RWG lies in its many members working together to share information, good and bad, about our hobby. We have a massive knowledge base here, and we're happy to share it. We also, among the thousands of us, weekly visit the vast majority of the web's watch enthusiast cubbyholes, dark alleys, shiny storefronts and discount plazas. When we find a good bloke, we share the good news. When we find a scammer, we share that too. There is our strength. It's not up to the Admins or Mods, it's up to the thousands of good people here diligently trying to do the right thing to help each other out. Keep up the good work, people.

Another question about this broaching deal... When you enlarge the hole, does it create a new fl@nge (dont know why it censored that word) on the border of the hole with these tools? How do they work? They look like files of some sort to me... Thanks!

How Many A7750's have you had?

Trevor has some nice Tuxedo dials!

These are some cut & pastes from the old RWG with regard to plating, and the process. Some irrelevant posts are deleted. Hello, As promised earlier, here is the receipe to build a pen plating kit from off the shelf radio shack parts. You'll get the same results as the pro ones but will pay a lot less. Background: I ordered a plug N plate kit from Casswell canada and started experimenting with the kit. However, I noticed that my end results were dark. After a call to Casswell, I learmed that this was oxidation caused by too much voltage. They made a mistake and shipped a 4.5 volts in the gold plating kit instead of the 1.5 V as it should be. They offered to ship a new one if I send back the old one. Thinking about it, I decided to make my own which would be more versatile than the one offered by Casswell, A kind of embrace and expand project Here is the kit I received it from Casswell: I only keep the plating wand from the kit, you can order it stand alone for 5,50$ USD (ref: look at the end of this page): Then I bought from radio shack: 1- a power supply AC/DC with variable voltage cost: 29.95$ CAD 2- a pack of aligator grip connectors and a pack of gold plated banana connectors. Cost repectively 4,29$ CAD and 5$ CAD and I have a lot of spares to build other kits or to incorporate into other projects. total cost: I let you do the addition, just to see if you follow I cut the end connector, the piece you see in the next picture on top of the box. So that the wires (both the positive and the negative) are now ready to accept the connectors. Then, I welded the aligator grip on the negative wire and the banana connector on the positive wire as illustrated below. The banana grip fits perfectly well with a Casswell stainsless steel wand used to do gold plating. I will check if it also fits well with pen from Ofrei when I'll get them. That's it! the kit is ready to plate small pieces like watches with a 1.5V and also do bath plating with higher voltages since the power supply has now a variable voltage instead of a fixed one like the Casswell kit. Now for the gold solutions: I found that for yellow gold plating the Casswell Fast plate is the best. Fast to plate, no cynanide and therefore not harmful to your health. Moreover, the gold is made of flat palettes having a gorgeous reflective index. I highly recommend that solution. For other kinds of gold I ordered a 1oz solution from Ofrei, I will try a white gold solution and a pink gold solution. White gold could be used to correct the bugged Royal Oak screws (yellow gold instead of white) and the pink gold employed to correct the buggy clasp on presidential bands. These are my next projects... stay tune.... Feel free to PM me if you need help to build your own plating kit and need advices on plating. Cheers Terrific stuff camaieu- Inspires me to get started- Keep up this wonderful info! offshore @camaieu: Thank you for sharing your wonderful concept of an economical solution to gold plating. This is the kind of information I cherish and many other board members with me. It is simple, efficient and cost effective and you wrote it in very understandable terms. BTW. Is it possible to do some yellow gold plating on already pink gold plated watches? And if so, would the result be acceptable? Thanks camaieu and I hope to read more of these kind of postings. Cheers. Neo That's great ...I was researching the same thing ...Trying to make a rectifier, but i was stumped on varying the voltage output ....Thats great ! Thank you for the post ! Brilliant I have never plated before ...So, i hope this is not to stupid ..... can you tank plate with that set up ? ..... If so do you pour plating in a beaker ...... connect the positive to a conducter and insert in the beaker ...and connect the negative to the item you are plating and drop into the beaker full of plating ...... or will this short everything..thank you....also seems like you could use a battery... Thank you camaieu! I was just reading up on the suject for some of my old watch bands. How did it turn out? If you spot plate vs. complete plating, can you see the edges? Did you then get the polish kit they offer? Thanks! Michael camaiue, Whilst staggering around on the Caswell site tonite I found this- "Make Your Own Brush Plating Wands Brush plating wands are used to apply electroplating by "brushing" a metal part with a wand, saturated in plating solution. The wand is attached to a power source. The electrical circuit created forces the metal from the solution and deposits it on the part. Some other plating companies charge up to $50.00 for these so called "high-tech" devices. We are going to show you how to make them yourself in 60 seconds and for pennies. We sell these wands pre-made for $5.00. Materials Required for each wand 12" - 24" of copper electrical wire. 3" length of 1/4" diameter stainless steel, copper or brass pipe. (Copper pipe is required for copper plating, brass for brass plating, stainless for all others) Electrical Tape Small piece of cloth, such as an old t-shirt. 1" x 6" will suffice. Elastic band Making up the wand With some wire strippers, strip about 1" from the end of the electrical wire. Insert the wire, stripped end first into the pipe, until the end of the exposed wire reaches the end of the pipe. With a hammer, flatten the last 1" of the pipe, so that it forms a flat surface and traps the exposed wire inside. Wrap some electrical tape around the other end of the pipe and wire, so that the end of the pipe is sealed. LOOSELY wrap the cloth around the flattened end of the pipe and secure it with the elastic band. That's it. You have a low cost, easy to use brush plating wand. Using The Wand Attach the end of the wire to the positive side of your power supply. Attach an alligator clip to one end of another piece of wire, and attach the non-clip end to the negative side of your power supply. Clip the alligator clip to the part you want to plate. Dip the cloth end of your wand into the brush plating solution. Ensure that the wand is saturated all the way through the cloth. Making sure the cloth is LOOSELY wrapped will usually suffice. Stroke the wet cloth onto the part you want to plate. When the wet cloth touches the part, an electrical circuit is formed. The current forces the metal out of the solution in the cloth and onto your part forming an electroplated layer. " Not that you would want to try and build these when they are only $5- but there is the complete solution!! I have a problem as we have 240v here in Oz, so I am ( hopefully) getting the wand/ solution for Chrissy- and I will use your excellent build instructions for the rest. Thanks a million- I really appreciate this sort of input- we can't all surf everywhere- so this combined disclosure of info is - I beleive- what truly makes this forum great. Offshore PS Have you experience yet with the Ofrei gear?? camaiue, Once again, thanks for the great info. You are making these topics very tempting because of the way you present the stuff. Most of us would never venture into the realm of plating, except for the chemistry buffs, maybe that's where you got your talent? Keep it up, as offshore says, it's great to have someone who can save us stumbling thru the net and falling into traps, actually that's just what this forum does 24/7. @ Neo Yes you can plate yellow gold on pink gold and vise versa. However I would say that you'll need to apply a thicker layer because the red in the rose gold may change a bit the color. But with only 2 micron on top of it and presto, the color is changed. As soon as I get the rose gold from Ofrei I will plate in rose gold a president clasp I got from Paul. I received it in yello gold and will plate it with rose gold as it should be. I will post some picture of the before and after project. I hope I will have the disciplie to take picture of the whole process, but usually I get so absorbe by it that I forget to take picture of the different steps. Perhaps it would be better if I video it and later on edit the video and publish it on the web. @offshore I am refining the technique right now. I ordered the battery operated pen plating system from Ofrei to do fine touch plating and will continue to use the wand for larger surfaces (like for bands). I will try pretty soon their rose gold solution. I will also try their cleaner based on phosphoric acid. I discovered that the cleaner the surface is the best it is for gold adherence. Up to now, I made experiments with 24K gold. Too soft, can be easily eroded. 18K nice color like the genuine rolex (the fast gold solution from casswell) and resist more to abrasion. The fun part about being able to plate your watches is that it is no longer a problem to possess gold plated ones. The hardest part is to find the same gold tone. Up to now, I found a perfect match between Eddie's taiwan watches and the fast gold solution from Casswell. The same solution doesn't match well with Paul's watches (at least the day-date and datejust series).Probably due to the fact that is is either 10 or 14K gold and a different allow. I am trying to find a way test the allow and the gold tone. Cheers