Thunder. I dont know anything about those sites you listed. I can assure you that you are no differant than 99% of the folks that arrive here. The faces are differant but the the song remains the same. Led Zepplin (1976) The best advice I can give you is take your time and do a lot of research. Like you said "cant afford to get ripped, who can? The dealer and trade reviews are also very important. RWG is like the Magical mystery tour (Beatels 1968?). No matter where you end up here, you learn something. When you do find the watch, there is a good chance that a member has reviewed it, if not several members. Hope this rambling helps. Mike