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Ofrei does them in packs of 12 as well! 13/16" Stainless Ultra Thin Double [censored] 1.3mm $2.44 SB826-B12 Package of 12 Scroll two thirds of the way down this page: http://www.ofrei.com/page232.html

Here’s Murphy’s law in action! Just as I was saying in another thread, IME, how reliable the Asian 21J is this went and happened! I unscrewed the crown on my LV noobmariner to set the hands, thought it felt a little stiff so pulled a little harder and…click! The hands jumped back 10 mins and that was it, they wouldn’t move anymore and the date refused to change reliably….. You can see in the pics the clutch return leaver that broke… Not sure why this happened….I noticed a large amount of lube on the keyless works and date mech. which I cleaned off, the oil was everywhere, somebody was a little over enthusiastic with it I think…. The watch is back up and running now with the part replaced and everything correctly oiled, I hope this is not going to happen again!

Or: http://www.subway.com/subwayroot/index.aspx Oh! now I'm hungry....

I guess the idea of protecting our dealers here with a members subscription never got off the ground!?? Sorry to hear about this Neil.

Your 2836 will be 28800bph or 8 ticks per second. One way of checking is to take a photo of the second hand with a 1sec shutter: This Seiko is 6Hz or 21600bph

Ooooh! Now, I like that *a lot* .....

To counter that I've had good experience with the 21J and poor ones with 2824's! Both my 21J noobmariners run +/- 6 secs / day and seem to work well, sure they are not the last work in refinement yet they keep ticking! I've had problems 3 times now with 2824's with poor regulation, poor lubrication and dirty movements. I picked up a replacement Asian movement from CousinsUK that was spotlessly clean and lubed properly all for $9 delivered... go figure!

Still an imitation of the real thing...

Yes, the 2836 is the subject of the L2 course. Naturally, the more you practice the better you will get. Just completing the course once won't give you enough practical experience. I've been practicing on duff watches from local boot (yard) sales and some cheap Russian watches of Ebay. Yes I've killed few beyond repair but that's part of the learning. I've been back to the L1 and L2 movements and feel much more confident in my abilities now...So the TZ stuff is a good building block but you'll need to practice...

Yes, done them. Worthwhile, gives a good insight into how watches work and what's needed to service them. Stops short though on fault finding and using a timing machine...

Andrew has them, see trustytime.com

Checkout The Zigmeister's review in the The ZigmeisterZone....there's more than 3 extra gears!!

It's the LV Noobmariner from TTK, unmodded except for the strap edges....

oooh! You tell me.....

Talking of obsessing, why do people obsess over the 21J? Yes, it's a 'proper' movement. It's the very fact that the Noobmariner uses one that makes it such a great bargain! Heck, if it stops working you can get one from Ofrei for $18 and in the UK from Cousins for a fiver! The Noobmariner is/was only available from TTK, other offerings from other vendors are just mere facsimile's! Only kidding! The new ETA based versions from Andrew and Josh etc look very good but they are not the Noobmariner

Thought this site might be a useful reference: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi...&0&uswk

I posted some poor pics in the Dealer review of the black and green together. The pics don't really show the green bezel off well. Visually I think it looks better than the black but that's me! YMMV! Don't be put off by the 21j movement!

Yeah, you maybe right, however, of some concern was the same text added by him to this auction and his other one for the DateJust...

Seems there are loads of them at the moment, our reps are getting too good! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...type=osi_widget

It's not going to happen though. The chinese are already leap-frogging up the technology ladder through business acquisitions (IE Rover Cars) and the West's willingness to engage with them, exchanging technology know-how vs manufacturing capability. Witness the recent Airbus deal. I can't see how the EU will stop this when consumer demand for cheaper, lower cost products is in such demand. I feel there will be a sting-in-the-tail for us in the West but for now China continues to export deflation and the consumer is lapping it up.

I would say that is bad. Be more gentle, watches are miracles of miniature engineering and are therefore delicate. Rotate the hands slower IMHO...

Where there is a gap in the market somebody will step up and fill it. This is a good example. Too much emphasis is placed on ETA movements as being a desirable and (cough!) 'Swiss Made' when in reality they are neither! The last few ETA's I've bought have all had some sort of issue and all have been dirty (maybe I'm not buying from the right source) and yet in my sample of one 21J, it's clean, correctly oiled and keeps good time. There's one in my 'noobmariner' and after 4 weeks it still only gains 2-3 secs a day and has been all over Northern Europe with me and over to the US. Perhaps the withdrawal of ETA movements is a case of the sooner the better for the industry....?

This seems to be one of those subjects that has no definitive answer and is most certainly movement dependant. Yes there is a finite possibility, if the watch is not in tip top condition, that setting the time backwards could find the escapement is a certain position that would cause the roller pin to jump the pallet fork or break against the fork, stopping the watch when the crown is pushed back in. However, from the texts I've read this is a rare scenario but not unheard off. If you are crossing time zones on a regular basis then setting the time by just winding forward will cause more wear than necessary. If you only have to go back one or two hours then the 'risk' involved in setting backwards is outweighed by the additional wear you will cause by winding forwards 24 hours. Setting the date as I indicated above should be observed though. A dual time zome GMT watch might be a good idea and an excellent excuse (if you need one!) to buy another watch EDIT: I've just check my Tissot PRS516 (2836-2 based) and it makes no mention of problems setting the time or Day/Date backwards, I'd say set it backwards or better still, buy a GMT for Xmas!!

I don't think it's as clear cut as that. Both my Gen Tag Carera (2824-2 based) and Omega SMP allow for time setting forwards or backwards. Only the Omega has a warning about the quick date setting between 8pm and 2am, advising for it not to be used. IME with the 2824 I've not had any issues going forwards or backwards.