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visually this one is the best. It's the correct hand stack version (hour-gmt-minute-second). I did mod the CGs (shaved the inside). The dial, the rehaut thickness (not depth) - I mean there should be some distance, about the width of the six o'clock indice marker, from the insert to the edge of the dial - are perfect. Correct crystal height and bevel. Date window correctly placed (not too far to the right like many versions) and correct cyclop mag. Mechanically, it's suspect. Some people are luckier than me. Mine had the slipping hour hand. I took it to a watchsmith to reset the hour/minute hand relationshiop. So far so good. This version comes in the wrong hand stack as well, more reliable, only sacrificing the look on the hand stack a little. Josh's expensive version has a 2893-2 movement but visually much inferior and has wrong hand stack too. -bk

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TTK said he pressure tests his MBWs to 2 ATM. -bk

caseback pics added. -bk

noobmariner is a great starter sub, no doubt. -bk

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might be a gen, only way to tell is clearer pics and closeup on the pearl. -bk

Thanks. I actually attempted to make the bezel teeth pointier. I experimented on an old bezel. I ran a round file between the teeth. You can actually get the teeth pointier rather easily. But you can also screw up easily too. -bk

can't be too perfect for "fair" quality. as pointed out already, there's no rep bezel with no-date specs pointier bezel teeth on no-date: date:

How about this one? Built from a VIPmariner (I paid $65), rep dial from Paul $8, an old ETA movement, watchmaterial insert pearl $32. No lug holes and has SELs though: -bk

it's the correct hand stack exp2, right? it's a common problem. I have 2 such movements, both have problems. I think it's ok to reveal the dealer like you said it's not his fault and that was excellent service. by the way, if you don't want the watch and consider selling it, let me know. Thanks. -bk

Bill, Do you know if the 2893 has the same stem hole position as the 2836? I wonder if I can swap in a 2893 into my GMT which has a modified 2836. Will the crown tube line up with the stem hole of the 2893? I will love for that to work. The reason is the correct hand stack GMT visuals are dead-on perfect. Check out these pics: gen: my correct hand stack gmt: Near perfect visuals. If 2893 fits, I will transfer the datewheel. Oh, I need to get a set of hands. Any idea where to get them? - BK - Bert

i sold the watch already but i did some CG mod insert sanded thin, pretty flush with bezel lip, the lip was enhanced a bit (lightly sanded to make more defined) superlumed (i keep the dial+hands+movement myself) cyclop replaced to one with correct mag, noobmariner dial and a longer second hand -bk

top one is better (i think it's a noobmariner dial), shorter markers, less gap between markers and rehaut, skinnier font

elprimerozen, i got the same watch and a gen insert too. The gen insert has a larger circumference. Did you sand the perimeter as well? I did which I regret because I could have pushed in the insert. Anyway, I sanded it so thin that it sits recessed in the bezel so no harm done sanding the perimeter 'cause it's not showing at all. -bk

Try Angus (PureTime) or Ruby and they carry the 16613 having the same window position on the dial as yours. I see carry different rollie dials. -bk

the biggest flaw is the oversized markers. look for a better dial. pretty good looking rep over all. -bk

no, it's not a tw best. EL has offered that for a long while. It's a ETA noobmariner. -bk

read this gen vs rep http://www.rwg.cc/members/New-Lv-t15483.html relaxman said the gen's insert has a darker green than his rep's. But that's an other rep from King. So don't know how gen's compared to today's reps'. -bk

the bezel construction is the same as that of the mbw, i.e. bezel with a rubber gasket (same size as the caseback gasket), a ring plate with 3 thorns sticking out for clicking. This click mechanism is buttery soft and feels like the gen's. The bezel is nice and thick. Other than the teeth slightly rounded (mbw's are sharp, which I like better), the bezel profile is closer to gen's than the mbw's. The crystal is high and has near-gen bevel, but different from MBW's bevel (less slanted), both are close but not 100% like gen, good enough though. The rehaut is the same as my mbw's. My bracelet sucks, not only solid mid-links but big gaps. All in all a great foundation for mod. I bought mine from River for $250 shipped. Is Josh's the same price? my tw best pics: -bk

i put the crystal with the cyclop touching the heating element on an electric range. simply push away the cyclop. also no residue. -bk