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one flaw on River's TW Best that I want to let you know. The left side of the case is rounded at the edges. The right side is ok. Some smart factory work thinks it's a good idea to round the edges, kinda look like datejust's sides a little. It doesn't bother me though.

That's an excellent idea, Alligoat. You can simply take the whole movement, dial, hands as a unit and transfer it to River's TW Best. You end up having a spare movement (it's also a 2836-2 inside River's). I went the longer route. I ordered the dial (it's a black sub dial of the so-called perfect from Paul, cheap, $8 only). I changed the dial, put the hands back in. It fits perfectly. I bought a noobmariner bracelet for $30 from a member. Essentially your way is more costly but a whole lot more convenient and you don't have to wait and fish for a bracelet. Too bad the caseback doesn't fit the TW Best, otherwise one more useful part out of the so-called. -bm

It's the same thing as Josh's/Silix's/Angus'/Ruby's/Andrew's exp sub. I don't like it. The rehaut is very conical. The date window is too big and squarish and too far to the right. The cyclop has too much magnification. Not good enough for a MBW owner like you. - bm

I thought I was looking at a gen. Truly amazingly close to gen. -bm

It's one of those josh's $188/ruby's/andrew's $458/silix's/angus'/king's. The date window is too large and squarish, its position is too far to the right along with the cyclop, and the cyclop has too much magnification. The worst part is the overly conical rehaut, which gives the illusion of deep rehaut. This one has an insert with a bulging pearl while most of this models have flat pearl, but still not the correct recessed bulge. The number font on the insert is too bold also. The CGs needs sanding on the inside. The bezel teeth on this model is better than that in the noobmariner camp. So is the crystal gasket (nice and thin). All in all, it's really just an average sub rep, nothing like the MBW or TW Best, far from the gen. Pardon my honesty. -bm

Thanks By-Tor. I ordered a pepsi insert from where you recommended and will change it out later. Here's a couple of more recent photos. I changed the crown to a correct sized one. Yes, I sanded the inside CGs. -bm

can't agree more. The pepsi and the black/burgundy are the most colorful rollies. Sporty and gentlemanly in one. It's also my favorite. I personally like the correct hand stack version but 2 such movements have slipping hour hands. Joe said to press the dial tight by adding a couple drops of glue to the dial ring so the dial will hold some gear for the hour hand better (yes, Joe said the dial helps hold it in place). I haven't done that yet. I hope there's a more permanent fix. my pepsi. I modded it so the bezel can be popped off by hand. I'm making 2 more removable bezels (all black and black/burgundy) so I have 3 watches in 1: -bm

it's the TW Best Seadweller that River is also selling except River sells it for $249 shipped. Get it from River for the price before he is forced to raise the price to $328. -bm

I heard it's 1mm high (from the insert). But today when my coworker showed me his TT, it looks rather low (I couldn't find a ruler to measure it). It doesn't even look 1mm high. The beveling is definitely on the entire portion of the crystal sitting above the insert, which is not the case on cn subs, the beveling is only like half of the crystal above the insert. This is what I always refer to "lacking the submariner look". So gen owners please tell me how high it is, please. -bm

agree with stephane. get the eta version of this sub. not that much more. cn21j movement keeps good time but ETA mechanically is more refined, e.g. the quick set date change is much more solid and sure. Paul's is $163 shipped. Can't beat that. To make your life tougher, predfan, I don't recommend the noobmariner (anymore) because VIPs at RWI can get the VIPmariner which is a better looking sub for $80 (asian movement though). It has a deep rehaut that's not overly-conical, and thin crystal gasket. The bezel teeth are longer too. Here're some pictures of it after I modded it to a sub no date. -bm

That's almost exactly what I did: -bought River's TW Best which has a 2836 already, $250 -bought the Perfect sub dial from Paul for $8, no need to get the whole watch for the movement -put Paul's dial in TW Best case -installed gen bezel insert $105 -did not install gen crown and tube, the TW Best has a slightly oversized crown but it's a good looking crown -put hollow link band from noobmariner (same watch as Paul's) which I bought new from a member for $30 -trimmed crown guards (do it myself) additional mods: - replace cyclop to a lower mag one - superlume hands and dial Total=$580+near-perfect rep

That's the version I got. Its the correct hand stack version (aka hour hand adjustable). They corrected the bold font but the crown changed from the correct one in your picture to a bigger one (look at my black face). All the dealers tell me there's only one manufacturer who makes this version. It's the best rolex rep lookwise IMO. The crown is even centered, no other rolex gen has that. Paul has the best price, $169+14 WU fee. Here's a couple of pics of mine modded (bezel realigned and refitted=>higher looking crystal, inside of CGs sanded, crown replaced to a correct sized):

I've been holding off getting the ultimate po for this. Seems like another couple months are needed, for the rubber strap. -bm

don't assume that. but be real nice and work with the dealers and they will normally take care of you. -bm

Oh no Andrew, don't change to this version. Mike G didn't post a direct view of his GMT hand adjustable (bought from you). But I'm very sure it has the same dial and cyclop as my hour hand adjustable which I bought from you as well. So I'm comparing mine vs. gen vs. your latest GMT hand adjustable. Mine's (and Mike G's) cyclop and date window are spot on like the gen (Mike G's GMT hand adjustable should be the same) Mike G's: Gen: your latest stock, date window too big and squarish, cyclop magnification too much. They are both too far to the right: Please bring back the old version (the one Mike G got). -bm

If you have an electric range, put the crystal on it with the cyclop touching the heating element, turn the range on hi. When the heating element looks red hot, wait one minute, you can then simply push the cyclop away. It slides off like nothing. Enjoy. -bm

are the prices in USD? or HKD?

Pug, don't bother. Kurt's a gen. If I'm not mistaken, it's a sub not date. -bm

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Not the same watch as the pictures on Andrew's website. Mike G got his from Andrew and it looks like the pictures on the website, read post http://www.rwg.cc/members/My-New-Exp-Ii-bi...res-t21102.html. Andrew changed the stock on you. Look at pics from the his web site and Mike G's white dial (also a gmt hand adjustable). The cyclop on your is too far to the right. The date window is bigger and more squarish than rectangle. The crown is much farther away from the bezel. The bezel font is not as bold. The GMT hand's triangle is different. It's an entirely different watch. Not an issue if you like it. But if you were expecting to get what's in the pics, it's not it.

In fact, I save your pics as my screen saver :-) The bezel teeth (long and sharp), the crystal (beveled all the way to the insert and high), crstyal gasket (nice and thin), the bezel are all perfect If you can improve 4 things, this watch will be flawless for as perfect a 16610LV rep can go and I will say it's 99% like the gen (the last 1% is the crown being not centered). 1. change the dial to a noobmariner dial (buy it from Paul for $. 2. change the cyclop to one with lower magnification. 3. sand the CGs to be a little bit pointier (you already sanded them down but still need more sanding). 4. change to a longer second hand. -bm

Thanks, but this is not it. The one I want is a step by step guide with lost of pics. -bm

I remember reading the tutorial on changing out the datewheel of a 2824 (or maybe it's a 2836). I did a search on datewheel and still couldn't find it. Can somebody give me the link please? Thanks. -bm

Can you do a frontal? The rehaut looks rather conical. Maybe it's the pics. It looks really nice. The bezel has excellent teeth (beats the noobmariners). The date window position is correct (beats the joshs). It looks better than all the SS black subs overall. Don't know about the bezel thickness and rehaut. Please take more pics. I'm very interested. Hope they have a TT black and/or TT blue. -bm

I have a chance to replace my sub crystal with a custom one. I want to know what degrees is the crystal beveled. I know it's not 45 degrees. It's should be straighter, a lot straighter. Anybody with a gen can tell me please? While I'm at it, what about other models' crystals? GMT II, Explorer II, YM, Sub seem to be the same. But Seadweller's looks straighter than the rest. Thanks. -bm