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Simple, elegant, understated chronograph in the "almost" 50k price range. Gotta be a 6239/41 or the Jean Claude Killy. It's not the JCK so.........

Change them to...... what? Make them all twice as strict? 1,000 times as strict? Ban ALL guns of all kinds across America? Fine. It's done. Because I'm King for a Day. Now, how do we get the bad guys to turn in all their guns?

I'm fitting his 8mm Brevet crowns to a couple of builds ... can anyone verify if the case threads of the tubes are the same for the 7mm and 8mm sets? Does 4mm x 0.5mm sound right?

I agree, mental health MUST be addressed. But stricter rules? We already have 22,000 rules. That approach doesn't seem to be working either. See why this is such a debate?

Too late, the guns are out there by the millions. How do we get them to turn in ALL their guns?

You're right, ZK. So how do we get the bad guys to turn in all their guns?

Good point. There seems to be a fundamental divide between those that know the police can well protect them, and those that know the police cannot. For whatever reason. In the city, where both criminals and police are closer, perhaps that's true. Nasty situation. Outside the city, people are far apart and police can't get to you quickly. I'm 30 minutes up a mountain for instance. I used to own handguns for home defense, until last summer when I was UNABLE to chase off three brown bears, no matter how big the gun I used. Knowing the effect adrenaline has on aim, I switched to a 12 gauge shotgun for home defense. Regular practice is still important, but I have mitigated the effect of adrenaline on accuracy a little. Plus there's far less penetrative power through my walls for any pellets that miss. Home alarms are pretty useless here, and we've come to realize we have to protect ourselves. We all know each other on the mountain, we wave and stop to chat, and we notice new vehicles. We call each other to check up on our wellbeing. It's the responsible side of gun ownership. I guess it's the "community" aspect of the mountain where we notice each other and help each other that works for us. I'm sure it's much less so in the city. My "neighbor" has a boy that's a senior in high school. One evening when his parents were out of state a whole bunch of trucks showed up at his house, so I went over there. A strange boy answered the door and I got right in his face. A bunch more showed up and I was pleased that they were polite, but I was a little nervous. The owner's son came down the stairs and saw what was happening, and we had a little chat. All his buddies were rolling their eyes like "this guy is gonna make us stop our party". Instead I had a long talk with them about getting drunk and trying to get down off the mountain without killing themselves. They hadn't thought of that. I encouraged them to spend the night and sleep it off instead of going in a ditch or off a cliff, and we all left shaking hands. Was that my responsibility too? Yeah, I think so. It's home defense and sometimes words work just fine. But sometimes they don't.

All Hail the Bond Sub! This build seriously has my attention!

Submariner

This seems fairly obvious. Let's say you're looking to rob someone. Where do you want to go? The country, where almost every house has at least one gun, and the owner probably knows how to use it, -or- The city, where few of your targets will have a gun, and of those, maybe 5% have been to the range for practice in the last year?

Bingo! The dust trails indicate "time" directionality. Blasted donkey was rolling in the dirt until the Google car got there, then he moved off the road.

I "get" the other side, does that make me a Master Debater?

At that price point.... one of these?

The......... NorgeMaster ??

Hey now, a guy's got to keep his Ammo Fund well populated, eh? Priorities!

"He sees you when you're sleeping, He knows when you're awake, He knows if you've been bad or good, So be good for goodness' sake" Santa Claus ... kindly old elf or CIA spook?

http://maps.gstatic.com/m/streetview/?hl=en&ll=-23.527824,24.72265&spn=8.405416,14.27124&t=m&layer=c&cbll=-23.527824,24.72265&panoid=3L-F887yPcBnejtJvT6DoA&cbp=12,335.71,,0,19.65&z=7 What do you think? I figured it out.

An old Doxa for today.

Thank you Ken, I appreciate that. You're absolutely right, society is far past the point where we meet people at the door with a pistol in our hands. And thank goodness for that.

It's interesting that you mention the statistical aspect behind this. Consider the tiny percentage of people in Scotland that own a gun, and the number of mass shootings that occurred there. Similarly, consider the huge number of people in America that own a gun, and the tiny number of mass shootings that occur here. Knowing anything about statistics, you could calculate the percentage of "owners that perform mass shootings" and find each answer is nothing more than a statistical abberation ... an outlier. One could reasonably say that in both cases the number of "(sane) gun owners that commit mass shootings" is nothing more than an abberation. But one could also reasonably say the number of "insane people that got hold of a gun and committed a mass shooting" is far more statistically significant.

1) My son had a guy go off on him over a perceived road rage incident. He parked at the store (this was down in the city) in clear sight of other people, the other guy got out of his truck and approached with a hammer, and my son put his hand on his gun (many people "carry" concealed here in Alaska) and advised the guy to turn around and leave. He did. 2) A friend of mine intervened in a parking lot at a Carrs/Safeway on the east side of town. A man was screaming at a woman locked inside her car, beating on the windows with his fists. My friend unsnapped his holster and put his hand on the butt of his Sig, and told the guy to back off. He did. In both cases they called 911 and reported the incidents. In #1 my son was legally protected by our Defense of Life and Property rule. In #2 it was much less clear cut. My friend could have been arrested for assault.

I'm too cheap to buy a sticky ball so I use a wad of duct tape.

I can offer a perspective from the other side of the poll. My Grandparents and great Aunt had two 14-year old kids, a girl and a boy, come to their door at night asking to use the phone, then muscle their way inside. All three were murdered. If Grandfather had his pistol handy when they forced their way in, I guarantee it would have ended differently.

You might like this one too: http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

Thanks for the links. So it looks like the NRA took in up to $52M over 7 years from all corporate partners, gun related or not. Let's say that's $7M per year. During 2010 they grossed $228M, so corporate contributions of all forms would then be about 3% ish. (edited)