TeeJay

Are you blaming his behavior on his birthdate? Really?

Not at all. Simply using the easiest label to put a handle on the situation for others. I expect there are many reasons for this persons behaviour, which have nothing whatsoever to do with his birthdate, but, at the end of the day, he does fit the profile most frequently applied to Scorpios, so I felt that was the most appropriate description to use

I'm from Sussex, but banished to North of the river Welcome indeed

What a watch Even though I've not yet had the "Is that a real Rolex??", I'm figuring putting a Tudor dial in my project sub would enable me to answer "No..." and not need to say more I don't think I've seen a Tudor sub rep with the Tudor marking on the bracelet, so I understand what you mean by Tudex

Wear it well, my friend

I work with one of those. I tried getting along with him, but he continued to pull the passive/aggressive shit whatever I did to placate him. I eventually got fed up with his games and went on the attack. I just take him out into the car park and shout at him for a bit whenever he steps seriously out of line. On the other hand, when he's doing what he's supposed to be doing and not playing games (with me or others) I back him up all the way. He has gradually learned that messing with me does not make for a good day and he mostly behaves himself - we're even quite friendly these days. It's taken a while, though - the real trick is not to get involved in the games but rise above them...

Good luck!

Thanks for the advise Sadly, I don't really have the option of yelling at the person in question due to my obligations to them, although if they were anyone else, they would've been told where to get off a long time ago... Such is giri... So you think the best thing to do is to basically be the 'reed bending in the wind'? I've tried being the 'rock in the stream', but even rocks eventually get worn down, and I think that's the point I've reached... Thanks again

As the topic title... What's the best way of dealing with a Scorpio male, who is extremely passive/aggressive, constantly making verbal jabs at people, and generally being one comment away from getting a physical lesson in manners?

Avoidance is not an option, as I have giri with this person, so I was wondering if anyone might be able to make some suggestions which might make our interactions more tolerable...

Thanks in advance

I was huge fan of MJ at all. The guy was a mega talent there is no doubt. He was also a troubled person based upon his childhood where he really never was allowed to actually have a childhood. This is why I think as an adult he formed closer rlationships with children than he did with adults. He was trying to live the childhood he never had....at least IMO. An adult worth billions hanging out with children equels eventual legal action by those who want a piece of the pie. Its a real shame beyond words if indeed he was an innocent troubled person who was labeled a pedofile even though he did nothing of the sort. Since the court case was a total sham..an obvious shake down for money and there really never was any evidence that came out that showed MJ was indeed a pedofile why are we trying to label this guy with the worst possible trait a human being can exhibit? Pedofiles generally just dont have one victim but many over the years so if indeed he was guilty something much more concrete would have come out by now....at least IMO.

I don't mean to jump back in, as I had said I'd leave things, but I can't leave such a statement without commenting.

As Andreww said before, there was a payout to one person, and an attorney saying that the relationship was inappropriate. The only reason why he won the last trial, was because his defense were able to make it look like a case of extortion (which, to a degree, it probably was, but that in itself still does not justify any inappropriate behavior on someone's part) so that just goes to show that court cases (especially celebrity court cases) are often about who makes the best presentation, rather than the actual truth of the matter. Maybe he did have many victims over the years, maybe he didn't, maybe we'll never know, or, maybe now he's dead, people will start talking about things. I don't know. Personally, I feel that regardless of if MJ was guilty or innocent, the last case only failed (for the claimants) because the jury felt the mother was 'the boy who cried wolf' one too many times, it did nothing to make me believe he was a totally innocent victim of extortion.

Peace

Having been a Michael Jackson fan from a very young age, I am absoultely devastated at this. I don't care what anyone says, he was the best entertainer the world has ever seen. No one else will have such a far reaching impact on the world that he has had.

As for the controversy in his life, the media is an absolute @rse. People should not condemn him based on reports in the news. If you don't read the news you are uninformed, if you read the news you are misinformed. We cannot and should not make conclusions on his life, nor conclude thoughts about his life on what we read in the papers.

I hate the way the media has treated him over the years and have now done a complete 360 by celebrating what a fabulous talent he was. If they had recognised this and focused on his talents over the past few years rather than condemn him and spread vicious rubbish around like he is a play thing, he might still be with us today.

RIP Michael, my thoughts and prayers aree with your family, you are going to be missed by the world!

I agree with that 100%, but that does not mean people should ignore other aspects of his life which were, frankly, utterly disturbing. I've said for years that he needed help, and I genuinely felt sorry for the life he endured from such a young age, but that does not for one instant excuse or make acceptable his other behaviors, which would have landed a non-celebrity, if not behind bars, most likely with their children taken into care and on a sex offenders register.

I think he was without doubt the best entertainer the world has seen, and was an incredibly gifted artist. I don't think that there can ever be any question or doubt about his talents, but it will take nothing short of a revelation from above to change my opinion about his lifestyle.

Peace to all, I've said all I can about my own feelings on the topic, so I'm going to bow out before things get heated.

Personally I think the only reasonable thing to do is to assume that the court which acquitted him had access to more and better information than I do and hence assume he was innocent. "Innocent until proven guilty", remember? That largely ignored statement upon which all functioning judicial systems are built? Unless of course you are in possession of information pertinent to the case which no-one else is aware of.

That is such a naive defense. If someone is arrested while plunging a knife into someone/selling drugs/abusing someone, then they are guilty, regardless of their position in the judicial review process. It does not take a trial to determine that they are, as already known, guilty (or mysteriously innocent)... Okay, so MJ was never actually arrested in the act, but to simply say "Innocent until proven guilty" is not a 100% defense of someone. As I mentioned to Dani, OJ was originally found innocent, and look how that turned out... I agree with your above post that he (MJ) needed help, and not just hangers on, but at the end of the day, anyone entrusting children to his care, knowing the 'allegations' which existed, was seriously negligent, and as Andreww pointed out yesterday:

True, he never was convicted. But, he did pay the first victim something like 15 million to keep his mouth shut.

The second kid was poor I believe, his parents tried for a settlement as well. That hurt the prosecution, as Jackson's attorneys had ammunition to contend that it was a case of extortion.

An attorney that attended the trial stated that "at the very least, it was a very inappropriate relationship".

To say that nothing happened because there was no conviction is very naive on your part.

I think that sums up the overall situation perfectly, and the bold text speaks volumes about that particular instance.

As I've said before, he was an incredibly gifted artist, but that is where my respect for him finishes.

Nice acquisition

Looking good, bro

Today I've reached a point where I'm not wondering if he should be condemned, but where I want to hit where it hurts... Money.

I'll find a way, as he has activities on the "bright side" (gen watches, gen foras). That masquerade is making me sick, there's no way I will ever forgive all this scam. It IS a scam, I trust at least there's no more member expecting an happy end.

Tried calling several times today, with or without calling ID activated, I think the private phone number might soon be as useless as the pro one.

If anyone is successful, please let us know.

If that's the case, then this is an outright case of intentional fraud, so might the time be coming to report this to the police? After all, having crystals AR coated is not illegal, but defrauding people (and UK Trade Descriptions laws may come into play here) is...

Just my .2c... I hope this can be resolved amicably...

Thanks for the comparison I don't know APs enough to spot the flaws, so I'll just say that they look pretty much spot on to me, and could well encourage me to add an AP to my wishlist

well said.

+1

That looks awesome, and a fascinating story to go with it as well

True, he never was convicted. But, he did pay the first victim something like 15 million to keep his mouth shut.

The second kid was poor I believe, his parents tried for a settlement as well. That hurt the prosecution, as Jackson's attorneys had ammunition to contend that it was a case of extortion.

An attorney that attended the trial stated that "at the very least, it was a very inappropriate relationship".

To say that nothing happened because there was no conviction is very naive on your part.

Exactly. That was what won the day for Jackson in the end. It took the focus off of what he may or may not have done, and put it onto the motives of the parents. I don't think anyone will forget the phrase 'Jesus Juice' for a while...

He was never convicted was he, a guy that loves children is bound to get set up in this type cases.

He saved at least 1mill kids world wide, what have you done?

You are all haters that have not done SHIT to help kids around the world.

Just his song heal the world made us aware of a problem 10times what others could..

Bastards.

Bro, OJ was 'never convicted', that doesn't change the fact that he was later 'found responsible' for those deaths... The last abuse case was a fiasco, and the kid's mother came across like a real gold-digger, and I think that was what enabled him to win the day in court. I do acknowledge that he has done a lot of good for kids over the years, but I just hope that he did that out of the goodness of his heart, rather than using it as some ulterior motive. I can't think of anything lower than a child molester, and I would never shed a tear for a dead one, but at the end of the day, it's not for me to judge him, so I'll just try and remember him as an amazing artist, which is undeniably, what he was

I believe it is safe to say that he was one of the greatest artists in the human history who influenced many lives and will continue to do so on a daily basis through the music he left behind.

Rest in peace.

That's about the only positive thing I could say about him, so I agree with you 100%

It's too hot for any other combo (not that I have much choice in the matter )

Fantastic choice

Good luck with your chase TeeJay! I have had a bid or two on several dials from this seller (though not the sub dial). I have not yet been successful. I think I have snatched a bargain, but always get sniped right at the end! AAAAARRRRGGGHHHHH!

Keep on trying I guess!

Thanks, bro Since seeing this model Tudor dial, I've thought it would be nice to have one. I'm still keeping an eye on the above dial, just out of curiosity to see how high it actually goes for I have to admit, I'm something of a sniper myself Best of luck with your purchase

Teejay,

You might check with Howard at WCT to see if he still has any of these. Looks like the same dial and a good price.

Thanks for the link As Chefcook mentioned, I think the size of that dial might be too small, but it might well be worth me sending an email for a general enquiry Thanks again for the information

Holy smokes. Overpriced, but ... wow

http://www.interwatches.com/rolex-watches/...nd-collectables

A little rich for my pockets, but what awesome watches

I suppose that in Zig's case, it really helps to be an artist to begin with. Although what he does on watches and what he does on canvas are two very different forms of media, the same level of precision and attention to detail are required for both. However, I am not sure how many painting artists out there could also do what Rob does with relumes and watch work... The man undeniably has talent... We're just lucky to be the recipients of those skills!

You're absolutely right there. A while back, I spoke to someone who did work as an artist doing airbrush designs as nail art, and while the work they did was phenomenal, they said that the level of precision they had to achieve, effectively wrecked their sense of scale, and they found it almost impossible to 'scale up' again to working on larger mediums... I would really like to give re-luming a try, but I'm absolutely terrified about the potential results

TJ.. as you know the IWC's (IMO) give the illusion of wearing bigger than the actual mm size of the case.. due to the size of the crystal in relationship to the the size of the case.. the 42 mm size of the slevin is no indication of the apperance it will lend on your wrist.. the rubber strap downsizes the illusion (imo) a bit.. but the ss bracelet is just so good looking with it's geometric lines..and size of the links at the lugs.. their both worth time on the watch..

jus ma 02

Lani

Thanks for the input, brother, it's much appreciated I think I'm definitely going to add a Slevin to my 'wish list' for when I can afford one If the worst comes to the worst and I don't like it, I'm sure someone else would take it off my hands

Oh well, it's gone above my budget, so I guess I won't be getting that one