Completed watches are arrived. Modifiaction MBW AP Jumbo

[LeSentier]

Hi master707

no problems & no reason to raise emotions - we are all friedns here

If your source is a perfect one, share it with us and make an extra profit on each watch. I would take two, and give you a bonus payment

Karin

this comes from when you have the finger on the send button

what I wanted to say:

Karin - I know her and I guess she doesn

[Guest master 707]

@ joerg

shure no problems & no reason to raise emotions - we are all friedns here I i think this is the Piont. im not itresting selling my Watches. I allso Baying same you.

All what i want to say is.. Your MBW AP is like a rip-off

Yes someone is going to bring reality in this thread. But is to late.

Thank you Good Bay

[cosmosblau]

@ joerg

shure no problems & no reason to raise emotions - we are all friedns here I i think this is the Piont. im not itresting selling my Watches. I allso Baying same you.

All what i want to say is.. Your MBW AP is like a rip-off

Yes someone is going to bring reality in this thread. But is to late.

Thank you Good Bay

[specialvat]

If you havent bought this watch I dont see what your crying about, as I dont have the 8 grand for a real one Pauls update is great.

[Rolexfinder]

Hello Guys,

I think I understand master 707 try to explain. I did not mean to ruin the good old MBW aka Maria Best Watches name. However, at this period of time, a very small number of people know how old MBW really exists. Most of fellows in here, by now, they all recognize MBW is MBK/Na Piek.

To be honest, once we talk about MBW now, we know him at the shop at MBK 1st floor because other sellers mention this before, mate.

Believe me, this watch did not copy from MBW but Na Piek himself bought the gen one and replicate it from scratch.

Hope you understand my point. Moreover, I am sorry that I cant write or understand German but I try to do my best to explain everything to you.

Cheers,

Paul

[fijikid]

Hey Paul - no worries, man. I just bought in to what I saw as a beauty of a watch. Our German friend sure is taking this personally ? Can't wait to get mine and never did I feel duped by what was advertised. Now mail me my f*@#ing watch!!! ;-)

[Panoris]

To all,

The issue of 'MBK' of 'MBW' watches has been a confusing one for quite some time now, and it should be realized that what was once called a 'MBW' watch may no longer be the same as it is now. Quite honestly, I think if you want to buy a watch, you should use your eyes, and not a subjectively applied label.

Call it what you want, but Paul has always been clear that these watches were from Nah Piek at the MBK mall. His pictures were provided as soon as available and everyone had the option of not submitting payment after he posted final pictures. I do not feel there has been any misdirection at any point in time, and take issue with anyone who implies as such of Paul.

There is always the potential of me not liking the watch when I receive it I suppose, but for the price of 330, it is still as good if not better than what can be had for this model from our trusted dealers. Such uncertainties are part of the nature of this hobby.

Cheers,

-P-

PS: Master, if you have a source for a higher quality rep AP, I am sure there are many of us who would be interested in availability, price, and pictures. Money to be made for your contact if they are looking for it. I will say that you would have your work cut out for you to provide as good a service as Paul has here, however.

[LeSentier]

+1 Paul

+1 Panoris

& Amen!

[Rolexfinder]

Ok guys, Please send me your addy via PM. I will arrange the area to ship. For those who are in EU, watches will ship from UK. Once I send watch to you, I will let you know the tracking number.

Cheers,

Paul

[exper]

So you mean this is not a real AP ?!

As said above, if you can source us a better one Master 707 - then please do and I am sure you will get many people who will appreciate it - but this is the best available option to us non 25 year experienced-connection people, which has only been made available thanks to the effort put in by Paul.

SO now.... Paul... please get shipping !

[aanival]

Hello Guys,

I think I understand master 707 try to explain. I did not mean to ruin the good old MBW aka Maria Best Watches name. However, at this period of time, a very small number of people know how old MBW really exists. Most of fellows in here, by now, they all recognize MBW is MBK/Na Piek.

To be honest, once we talk about MBW now, we know him at the shop at MBK 1st floor because other sellers mention this before, mate.

Believe me, this watch did not copy from MBW but Na Piek himself bought the gen one and replicate it from scratch.

Hope you understand my point. Moreover, I am sorry that I cant write or understand German but I try to do my best to explain everything to you.

Cheers,

Paul

Paul, no problem, I think we all understand what we buy...

and THANKS Again My friend.

[leon32]

Master 707 is none other than Maria himself. Nobody speaks English worse than he does and his grammatical and spelling errors are unmatched by anyone on all the rep forums. It's also well known that he loves to register under various user names (vintaga master, luckyyy, etc.) on the forums.

Anyway, he is somewhat right when he says that MBW does not equate to Nah-Piek/MBK. Why? Because he also sources from other shops/wholesalers other than Nah-Piek. However, the trademark models that made MBW famous like vintage Rolex and Nautilus Jumbo and also AP RO Jumbo always without a doubt came from Nah-Piek.

Quite obviously he came on here to stir up [censored] as this new AP is of higher quality than his offering and he can't afford to lose even more customers. I was in Bangkok last month and have it on good authority that Maria's sales numbers are way down!

I find it utterly ridiculous that somebody whose main earnings are generated off of selling fake watches now claims violation of his trademark name.

Regards,

Leon

Edited January 16, 2010 by leon32

[Katerchen]

+1 @leonado

...there have been updates on some models.

Having 4 RO mbk jumbos

1 - WM9 George 2006

2 - Used "original" MBW bought around 2003

3 - direct from the "stall" Nahpiek - 2006 (thanks Leo)

4 - direct from the "stall" Nahpiek - 2007

i can say that there is virtually NO big difference -

all watches are quite the same!

Only differences i see is:

Dial texture/layout shifted a little bit from

older Modells.

Some newer modells have different hands (more flat)

and some have (as posted by rolexfinder in the beginning

of this thread) different screws as first batch.

Maybe i can see also some differences in the

design (AP engraving and shape) of the crowns

used now... the watches ARE definitelly from the

same producer as the so called mbws.

Remeber we have some collectors or dealers

(whatever you call them) but only thing they can

do (also Maria) is "cherry pick" some watches,

do some QC about them, maybe order with or without ETA

and thats it! The sellers DONT produce them,

thats why you only bring confusion when you call them

"made by mbw/maria" or made by WM9/George or sometimes

back they were also called Eddielees because they

sourced them - they didnt produce them!

The "silver-screw-issue" is really a matter of taste.

And you can say whatever you like about the outcome -

ugly - beautiful - whatever... True is that Paul DID involve

the members into the process and keeped them informed.

To me that means that you couldve also said "no, thanks"

if the posted pictures of the "prototype" didnt suit you.

I didnt order one because i was in doubt that the screws

of the "old batch" RO jumbos were replicated properly by the

stall. I think they installed existing silver (steel/chrome)

screws into this jumbo - thats the reason why you have something

like a gap surrounding every screw.

I measured and found out that the silver screws smaller ROs

are about 1.8mm size and the screws in the jumbo about 2mm size.

But what do you want? The people wanted a good and durable

solution to their demand of silver case screws and this is

what they got!

I suggest that if they were able to get ahold of the screws (bras)

used in the older Jumbos and silver plate them, the outcome

wouldve been not so durable as the result of Paul!

Make a search here and youll find plenty of pics of this model.

The reason why the bras didnt botherd me that much is that

Nahpieks bras screws are manufactured (or polished?) in a way

that they do reflect pretty much and it depends on the light

and surrounding whether youll notice a more yellow cast on them

or dark, or a lighter yellow cast as on some WG models!

Ive talked to several people (ADs) and other collectors about

this issue. Shortly ive been told that AP increased their amount

of Palladium on newer Models (AP 15300ST) on the Screws and

the rhodanized finish wasnt applicated that much on older models

before, thats why the screws on some older ROs appear to

be more yellow than silver.

But thats a different story...

George

[leon32]

Some years ago, Maria used to be big in the (high end) rep market when he controlled the sales of the best vintage rolex (sourced from Nah-Piek) and the best Patek and AP (Taiwan made, also sourced from Nah-Piek) in our market (rep forums). Then other forum dealers not controlled by Maria started offering the same watches from Nah-Piek. And now the big Chinese dealers are coming out with more and more superb copies using stripped down gen watches as samples. Lastly, we have watchmaker9 who has gained credibility (and paying customers for his high quality/high price reps) on the forums by producing some of the best reps available anywhere and having BK as a respected middleman.

Maria has lost his competitive advantages in the rep market some time ago and just got squeezed out of the market more and more. So that just leaves him badmouthing others under the guise of fake user names. How sad, really......

L

Edited January 16, 2010 by leon32

[Panoris]

George, Leon, and Paul,

Just wanted to thank you guys for your collective knowledge on the AP rep and MBK trade. Nice to see the sharing of information and to know that we all have a better chance at higher quality reps due to folks like you.

Kind Regards,

-P-

[kuku007]

Master 707, if you can source better AP then my money be with you

[Katerchen]

@panoris

the thanks should mainly go to Paul and to Leo for having "the balls"

on unveiling the true source of some of the mysterious so called

MBW watches... this was about 3 years ago.

The demand on these high grade watches (mainly vintage rlx) accepting genuine and OEM parts

was so high on the rep boards, that many people either choose to loose

some money on a transaction, than to complain about a dealer

"where is my watch?".

I remember many others having lost money - yeah seizure by custums IS a risk,

but we will never know in all cases WHERE the money went.

Secondly the prices went up up up, there were just a few people

on the boards having access to these watches as f.ex. maria, luckyy,

watchmaster,... in the end ttk stepped up as a supplier.

Although there has been a lot of harsh words, fighting and even

banning - i guess it was just about "the right time" to unveil the source

to the unaware members and dealers to break this thing and to

give us the chance getting these watches at moderate prices and

maybe at a more reliable "ordering service" from the dealers.

And @Paul you allways do risk some criticism when you manage things

in a group buy combined with some modifications involved!

I think you involved us in a fair and honest way during the process

of this project - and let me just guess that the main reason that

maria or one of his followers showed up here might just be that

he wanted to offer the members of his board "the same watch" respectively

a "new" version also with modified silver-screws

You see we are somehow all connected like a big community due to our interest

in watches and good reps but when it comes to topics such as "money" and "market shares"

there is fighting...

Best Regards

George

[leon32]

@Georg: Nothing more to add except that Narika, Pamfried, Eurotimez and Paso(?) also deal in MBK/Nah-Piek watches.

Regards,L

[rek001]

Thank you Leonado and George for giving us this information, setting the record straight.

I have been collecting reps for over 6 years now, I was around when Maria was actively selling and bought 4 watches from him.

Well, believe it, some of them had cosmetic flaws, some had mechanical issues, right after purchase.

His after-purchase support was horrible. He was abusive, he was outraged that you would even criticize his product. You were on your own, take it to a watchsmith, then when you would tell him your cost to repair, he would call your smith a thief.

I'm glad to hear his sales are way down.

Don't anyone fall for his arrogant sales pitch, his product is good but if you have a problem dealing with him is very unpleasant.

[leon32]

@rek001: That's what happens when somebody more or less has a monopoly on something. Maria is also the one responsible for the Luckyyy fraud where a lot of people were quite unlucky. Anyway, he's been banned from all English speaking forums.

L

[rek001]

Glad to hear he's been banned from english forums, I'm sure he's still on the german ones.

bklm has a monopoly, if you want to call it such, on delivering superb MBK models, but he is a delight to work with. It really depends on whether one is a gentleman, or not.

[rek001]

Back to the original topic, the watch - I have a 6.5" wrist, quite slim.

Could I wear this AP Jumbo, would I have to remove a permanent link and then, how would it wear? Is the bracelet flexible enough to conform to slim wrist?

Thank you.

[leon32]

BKLM sells WM9 watches as far as I know...

The RO Jumbo is too big for small wrists and will not look good imo.

L

[slickdick]

Back to the original topic, the watch - I have a 6.5" wrist, quite slim.

Could I wear this AP Jumbo, would I have to remove a permanent link and then, how would it wear? Is the bracelet flexible enough to conform to slim wrist?

Thank you.

If you can wear a BCE or 44 PAM you can pull it off.

IMO it wears the same as the new style VC overseas. Bracelet is flexible, but the sortha built into the case end links make it for a rather wide case if you know what i mean.

[Katerchen]

@rek001

You can do this

---->

Ive posted this tut long ago - me think randy/ubiquitous did

a quite similar modjob on his AP jumbo like me.

You can ask him too... anybody with a steady hand and a dremel

can perform this mod!

I didnt cared so much about size, but the watch wear A LOT more

comfortable when the clasp sits more "face to face" to the case...

Believe me.

B/R

George