By-Tor Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 (edited) I just negotiated a fair deal with Kenzo/Watchmaster of this watch... and bought it. The watch is bit of a hybrid with thick SD bezel... but when I saw it just had to buy it... it's simply the best looking Sub I've ever seen. I love the no-dates... and especially the "square marker" Tudor which is a masterpiece. For some strange reason I always wanted a Tudor Sub rep... and favor it over Rolex. Yeah I know, ít's weird since the genuines can be found at fair prices... but like Ubi says...where's the fun in that? The question: Can someone identify the movement? It looks a standard ETA 2824 to me...but I wonder why it says "23 jewels on the rotor". Actually I couldn't give a rat's ass if it's genuine or not... I'd just like to know... out of curiosity. I'm 100% sure the case, bezel (both standard WM/MBW parts) and hands aren't genuine... but jury is still out on the movement. Thanks guys. Edited September 20, 2006 by By-Tor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimster Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 It looks like a 2842 movement to me. Here's a good review of the 2842. Otto Frei sells them. http://www.timezone.com/library/horologium...673144417823408 A real workhorse of a movement. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 eta 2842 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 (edited) From the picture it looks like it could be a 2836 or 2824 as the click wheels for the autowinder look like they have jewels on them... Strange how the movement is marked "Water Resistant", never knew you could have a movement water resistant, though you needed a case around it to do that job... What does it say under the balance? RG Edited September 21, 2006 by ziggyzumba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted September 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 (edited) Edit: Found Ziggy's answer. I haven't received the watch yet. Actually I'm delighted that it has a higher beat movement. The movement isn't genuine then... that's for sure... unless it's taken from a modern Tudor Hydronaut (I doubt it). Here's a 2842 image I found from Ofrei. Looks like it has markings "WATER RESISTANT" as well. Perhaps it's designed for glass back watches? Edited September 20, 2006 by By-Tor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 It says "23 Jewels" because that's what's on the rotor...I could install a rotor that says "29 Jewels" in place of the one you have there... Looking at the movement, it's a fairly new 2836 or 2824 as the click wheels for the autowinder are both jewelled, meaning it's a 25 jewel model... Strange how the movement is marked "Water Resistant", never knew you could have a movement water resistant, though you needed a case around it to do that job... What does it say under the balance? RG no The Zigmeister sorry mistake it is special swatch movement... engraving water resistant is right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted September 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Since it looks like a 2842 movement with beat rate of 21.600... it would be correct for the vintage Rolex Submariner. But I wonder if the vintage Tudors all had 28.800 bph? Either way, according to the review it's a good and reliable movement. That's all I care. PS: Funny thing. Searched this watch and found this. The site looks shady to say at least... but the dial & hands look identical with the one I just purchased. The ad states "Calibre 40 automatic". Price: 700 Euros. http://www.inforeloj.com/spa/item/ART00296.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted September 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Once again shows - take care when buying those Frankens that were supposed to exist - with gen 1570 or 3035 movements... can all be reps. Or the Valjoux 72 movements - maybe also improved reps... talking about the stuff luckyyy showed... I purchased the watch mainly because I loved how it looks. I got a fair price too. It's virtually a MBW rep with a Tudor dial at worst... so I don't see any problem here. WM/Kenzo didn't make any false claims about it, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 I can't wait for the full review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 It's a beauty!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochenbrau Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Me too....don't want a Ralex daytona...always wanted a Tudor chrono. Theres a certain charm about this brand. Enjoy it bytor and I'm with Pug -looking forward to your review! Wear in good health Timm I couldnt agree more. I have no interest in Rolex daytonas, but the Tudor chronos are awesome!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsons Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Great purchase, Bytor! I was admiring that beauty at TRC. I initially thought about locating an MBW or WM 1680 but decided on a gen vintage Tudor sub instead. I love the watch. I rarely see one on a wrist (as opposed to its famous relative) which is a nice plus, IMO. Looking forward to your traditional detailed review on ths guy. Enjoy! Jet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryaku Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 I want one for me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkitesurf Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 That is very nice... But is the 700 one the real thing? I don't see differences... I am also looking forward to the review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alextor Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 excellent taste...those snowflake hands are sweet! A classic! Congratulations. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted September 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 @Olli: No probs mate. @Kingkite: No, I believe that watch isn't genuine. Looks similar to mine, eh? Thanks all. Yeah, I always wanted the "military" no-date model with snowflake hands. I find it amazing how little information of Tudor there is available. But I believe this gen Tudor model is heavily based on Rolex 5513. Probably identical, with just different hands, dial and movement of course. I'll do the review when I receive the watch... still trying to dig up more information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankt Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Definitely a 2842....I'm holding one in my hand right now in a NOS Swatch 1996 Olympic Commerative watch...And yeah...It's the worlds ONLY water resistant MOVEMENT It says so right on the bridge!!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Hi By tor, i saw this watch too... Looks nice... I think the movement is an old Eta 2824... Its not a genuine Tudor movement..... I have an old Tudor Submariner with date an mine looks different... It´s a franken Tudor sub.. I think is a mix of some watchparts... but looks nice... RG Tribal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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