gran Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Sea-Gull ST8080GB doppio tourbillon! too much good??? oro bianco D:41mm H:12,6 It is reportedly very very expensive this ST8080GB double tourbillon but I think it the different looking tourbs borders on ugly ref: http://www.europastar.com/magazine/highlights/1004082674-tianjin-sea-gull-watch.html http://www.seagullwatch.com/cn/product_detail.asp?productid=200 http://forum.animaguzzista.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18287&hilit=chicca&start=1280 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praetor Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 why does it still look cheap? :bangin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 why does it still look cheap? :bangin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rychastings Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 whats the function of the second tourby since one tourby is supposed to counteract gravity by itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 whats the function of the second tourby since one tourby is supposed to counteract gravity by itself? It is not for accuracy it is to unique and collectable = expensive Truth is that even the tourbillon is not really that effective against gravity and yes two of these are not going to improve matter much if at all. It is just more complicated and thus maybe less reliable in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praetor Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 maybe they're trying to copy Philip Dufour's Duality watch. http://www.network54.com/Forum/125316/thread/1019602360/Ron+DeCorte+on+Dufour%27s+Duality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 maybe they're trying to copy Philip Dufour's Duality watch. http://www.network54.com/Forum/125316/thread/1019602360/Ron+DeCorte+on+Dufour%27s+Duality It seem they are not must be some totally other idea than Philip Dufour they copying...anyhow it is a totally different setup as the Dufor Duality is not a tourbillion at all (but double escapemt yes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 It's one tourbillon for the week, and another for Sunday best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 It is too much, but the chinese making a statement here, 2 types of tourbies. Its more a showcase as to how the chinese have evolved in micro mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 It is too much, but the chinese making a statement here, 2 types of tourbies. Its more a showcase as to how the chinese have evolved in micro mechanics. true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 why does it still look cheap? :bangin: `Because of the word Sea-Gull slapped across the dial... Something like that deserves a sterile dial, or at least a fancier name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 It is a pretty spectacular feat of engineering, if some what excessive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 It is not for accuracy it is to unique and collectable = expensive Truth is that even the tourbillon is not really that effective against gravity and yes two of these are not going to improve matter much if at all. It is just more complicated and thus maybe less reliable in the long run. Well if it is set up properly the two balances will sync with each other and in theory half any error same as the rare double pendulum clocks But I bet that setup is a pig to get right and I don't think many hobbyist will be playing with it. Not that Cheri either I don't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OiRogers Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 A true double Tourby movement selling under 2k USD (assuming I did the Yuan / USD conversion properly...)? That is a shot across the bow of the big name Swiss brands. The trade name may leave a lot to be desired.. But a true double Tourby under 2k? You got my attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praetor Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) a shot at high end swiss watches? never!!! The finishing and polishing that defines the high end swiss market. A tourbillon complication is actually an easy one to execute. But making a beautiful looking tourbillon is the hardest thing you can possibly do. The physics and technicalities of making a watch is actually not that hard to learn. I mean, classical physics was practically done by the 1800s. High end Watchmaking is where art and skills come to play and harmoniously combine. I'd rather save up my money and get a vintage patek. This is the legendary ref. 96 worth about $4-10k depending on condition =D Edited April 14, 2011 by praetor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceberg1459 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 i guess u cant increase the quality with x no of tourbillions...it isnt that much of a complicated movement....why dont they also put a perpetual calendar, power reserve and real moonphase? maybe it would fall apart..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 ... A tourbillon complication is actually an easy one to execute.... Very easy, especially 2 in sync. It's peanuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praetor Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) I would think it's easy. Physics is easy and there's tons of jobless or fresh graduated engineers out there with that can figure it out using CAD. Edited April 14, 2011 by praetor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carl Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I agree with the previous posters that it is both a statement and an exercise. It's a statement from a watchmaking industry that has mastered what it thinks is important in watchmaking, but has no clue as yet. It's kind of a bleeding chunk modeled after Patek, but Patek would never create such a thing. A tourby, sure, but something much more subdued, without the tourby(s) even visible from the front. As an exercise, it would be nice to hear from Sea Gull about their intention with this watch, and what they expect it to meet in terms of performance. I'd like to know more about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OiRogers Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 @Praetor... I think this is more of a "Start" than an end all, be all... What other Double Tourby is on the market in the lower end of the price market? 2k is roughly entry level Swiss... Even with some rough finish, it is an impressive feat, that much you must admit. Certainly I'd snag the Patek over a Seagull given my druthers, but that is not quite a fair comparison. Look at some of the super reps on the market... Virtual ties in quality with watches selling for 20x and up... The Chinese watch industry could gain some serious ground with tech like this if they got some designers to make new watches rather than clones and homages. I get the odd feeling the next few decades will be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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