slay Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Pressure? Since when does a printer apply excessive pressure onto anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Yeah, but what id the movements come from one source, cases from another and you're just the guy that assembles them? Then you do the following (it is really simple, I think not too hard for anyone, even for those without a degree!): Unscrew screw, take plate off, Print on plate, put plate back on, turn screw tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uziuzi Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 But what about the part that swings (dont know the name) and has "HUBLOT GENEVE" on it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 that thing should be engraved. but judging from the pictures, they have the wirting applyied with stick on letters which is a bad thing IMO. and its not sooo hard to engrave the rotor (just in case someone comes out of his hole and starts yelling "HEEY engraving a rotor is sooooo damn complicated, its even harder than to manufacture a grande complication!!!"), the older (and some of the newer) 7750 Panerai rotos were engraved and the unitas bridges are also engraved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 and its not sooo hard to engrave the rotor I agree. This part requires no special skills to remove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 I agree. This part requires no special skills to remove. I mean, if they can make a 1:1 case (and even a tourbillon movement), they sure should be able to engrave some letters onto a rotor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uziuzi Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Here another picture for reference of the back. Yeah, the rotor as wel as the logo are engraved... i am a bit dissapointed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvt Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 I can understand not engraving the LOGO because it is on the movement itself, but the ROTOR should really be engraved. The glued pon letters scare the crap out of me because they ALWAYS fall off. Once they do fall off you are left with a mess as they get caught in the movement and so on. Even if they directly printed on the rotor it would be better than the glue on letters. I am really liking this watch but honestly, the glue on rotor letters is almost enough to make me not buy because it is not a matter of looks but actual reliability with those things. Engrave the rotor and we will all be happy and you will sell more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RiverwindMDS Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 No Way man, you have to make them: 1-engrave the rotor 2-make the right engravings on the caseback of the rose gold version 3-engrave the H on the movement After that I'll buy them all!! That's the most beautiful rep I've ever seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Angus, could you elaborate a little bit on the 'later ultimate rep' you mentioned that would have AR? I'd be interested in knowing what sort of premium you would charge for the AR, as well as how long after the first run is released you'll be making this ultimate version available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahchard Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 I agree rotor should be engraved... H on the movement... if possible... but not as important as the rotor engraving... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uziuzi Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Please consider: If the rotor engraving is done (and maybe the "H") this easily beats all the reps on this board in terms of accuracy hat i have seen so far...strive for the max !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarks Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Regardless of engraving and all the blah blah blahs... I am in for one. The RG version. And the APs as well. Damn Angus, could u hurry the factory? I am running out of patience here... I am in for a Big Bang and two APs and I NEED them NOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 If this were yet another PAM, IWC, or Rolex the movement engraving and lack of gold hallmarks would be dealbreakers and my money would stay in my wallet. But Angus and whatever shop he's working with are making the attempt to do what a lot of collectors have dreamed about--making high quality reps of interesting and unusual watches. For that reason, I'm going to buy one of each of these new models, and I hope all collectors who want this trend to continue do the same. Even if these flaws do bug some people, it seems a little...er... inconsistent to moan about some on-the-back flaws when versions 1.0 of these watches are more accurate than version 83 of a lot of PAMs and Rolexes that we wear every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Well.. the Big Bang is the only watch that I really liked as much as my Panerai on my wrist therefore I will get it whatever the flaws are (which are not many) Angus.. Rose-gold version for me please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureTime Posted December 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 I like the black ceramic bezel model!!! however between the steel and rose gold version available... i prefer the rose gold! it says the rose gold version is a limited edition of 100pcs with individual numbers on caseback.... that would make the rep 99.98% then instead of 99.99% Haha, yes, 0.01% less on that model wow looks like the black bezel may be an option!!!!!!! nice It may release in t he future. The Big Bang fights the AP in these pics...BACK TO BACK COMPARISON http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tre...59398&rid=0 I think I may have to have the Black bezel! Thats a tough fight between the two it seems. For me the Big Bang wins usually over most AP models due to the following reasons: 1) dont like the AP hands 2) I prefer a nice back window to see the movement (though this might be a newbie-syndrom which will fade away eventually) 3) most APs look too "steely" (as in too much steel) IMHO 4) and finally, the name alone is worth owning one. Isnt it a true pleasure to pronounce the name out loud ? BIG BANG ! This AP is a good one though, I especially like the carbon bezel, looks sweet. and also it has a very nice back window for good view on the movement. Still, the Big Bang wins for me even above this one: - the bezel screws look more elegant on the BB - i prefer the BB rubber strap - he white dial is hard to read off on the AP and the three chrono hands in three different colours are a bad style IMHO - i like to have hour numbers on the dial and the ones of the BB are very exclusive So Lets say, the AP goes down in round 9 or so But now the AP ROO and the HBB will come at the same time (both will out within this month), so you can buy both and let them fight at your home :-) why would a printed mark "break" a movement?! It is not a must, but it may cause the movement to work improperly by doing this. I dont get the breaking argument either. I have very little knowledge about the watchmaker profession but I would have assumed the printing goes onto the part of the movement (i think it is a called a bridge) BEFORE the movement is put together or not ? The movement is built by the movement factory and the movement factory only sells you the movement, any movement decorations have to be done by the watch maker. Yeah, but what id the movements come from one source, cases from another and you're just the guy that assembles them? The movement and cases are for sure from different factories. The watch maker researches on which watch to make and doing the QC at the end. Sorry as i said i dont know much about this industry :cc_surrender: If that is the case then of course printing is an issue It is not difficult but there is a chance to affect the movement. Then you do the following (it is really simple, I think not too hard for anyone, even for those without a degree!): Unscrew screw, take plate off, Print on plate, put plate back on, turn screw tight. Yes you are right, but while you are going to do 1000 movements, please remember you are not doing one by one (e.g. unscrew one plate and print it and screw it back), the watch maker has to unscrew all 1000 plates and take the plates to another factory to do the engraving, during this time interval, all movements have the plates missing and some of the wheels may lack the support of the plates. Some of the wheels are sandwiched by the bridge, while the bridge is absent, the wheels are easy to loss, and these work are not done by the movement specialist, the unscrew and screw work may also influence the movement. Besides, engraving the rotor may also damage the bridge which will cause unreliability of the movements. All these were told by the watch maker, I am also a professional on this. But what about the part that swings (dont know the name) and has "HUBLOT GENEVE" on it ? it is the rotor that thing should be engraved. but judging from the pictures, they have the wirting applyied with stick on letters which is a bad thing IMO. and its not sooo hard to engrave the rotor (just in case someone comes out of his hole and starts yelling "HEEY engraving a rotor is sooooo damn complicated, its even harder than to manufacture a grande complication!!!"), the older (and some of the newer) 7750 Panerai rotos were engraved and the unitas bridges are also engraved. Yes it is sure easy to engrave the rotor but it will increase the cost of making this watch, for the stickers, he can have it done by the watch factory, but if for engraving, the engraving work have to be done by another factory and by extra cost, it is true it will not be expensive for the engraving but the watch maker simply do not want to be too much work on a watch, if this watch need to be perfect, there are still many works to do but we cannot make all of them done. The watch maker did not show me the prototypes of this watch so I cannot ask for all of your ideas, now you see the imprtance of posting prototypes here (like AP ROO, Breitlings, Chopard...) I agree. This part requires no special skills to remove. The point is not removing but the work between removed and re-installed. But anyway, I will try to suggest him to do this in his future watches, I am also willing to pay the extra work, but sometimes the watch maker think those works are too troublesome and they just simply use some alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Consider me in for a group buy! Nice!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Well ladies and gentleman This is just the PROTOTYPE and the real thing will definitely be much nicer and refined (without the grease and dirt) LOL... This Maker has the BEST AR Sapphire technology applied to his watches. Mind Blowing... You can be rest assured that all the new watches will be available at Joshua and my website. The list goes on.... and the Makers are ready to pass us these new stuff before X'mas.. =) Enjoy!! ANDREW Before Xmas? That's 18 days Andrew! Can we pay with IOU's?? If we want one under our solstice trees you better hurry them up.. 2 weeks shipping.. that leaves 4 days to release them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureTime Posted December 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Here another picture for reference of the back. Yeah, the rotor as wel as the logo are engraved... i am a bit dissapointed... Sometimes we have to accept the fact that there must be something we may feel disappointing for every replica I can understand not engraving the LOGO because it is on the movement itself, but the ROTOR should really be engraved. The glued pon letters scare the crap out of me because they ALWAYS fall off. Once they do fall off you are left with a mess as they get caught in the movement and so on. Even if they directly printed on the rotor it would be better than the glue on letters. I am really liking this watch but honestly, the glue on rotor letters is almost enough to make me not buy because it is not a matter of looks but actual reliability with those things. Engrave the rotor and we will all be happy and you will sell more! Engraving the rotor is of course better in our point of view, but this watch is already done and will be out very soon, I am planing the pre-order at this moment and I hope the pre-order can start within this week. If you really concern, you can remove the letters by yourself and re-glue them using some good glue like what other forum members do with the Arktos and submersibles. No Way man, you have to make them: 1-engrave the rotor 2-make the right engravings on the caseback of the rose gold version 3-engrave the H on the movement After that I'll buy them all!! That's the most beautiful rep I've ever seen Even with these 'flaws', I still think it is the most beautiful rep I have ever seen. What I can do is to suggest the watch maker to engrave instead of using stickers on the movement for future projects, I really cannot change it now. Angus, could you elaborate a little bit on the 'later ultimate rep' you mentioned that would have AR? I'd be interested in knowing what sort of premium you would charge for the AR, as well as how long after the first run is released you'll be making this ultimate version available. We don't do individual AR for our customers, Finepics can do AR for crystals, you may ask him for details. The coming 'ultimate rep' are PAMs, they are made by another factory which is different from the current PAMs, the coming reps from this factory will be very nice! Every watch they make is done according to genuine. Please consider: If the rotor engraving is done (and maybe the "H") this easily beats all the reps on this board in terms of accuracy hat i have seen so far...strive for the max !! I will suggest the watch maker on his later project, this project is finished already, everything is done, I don't think the watch maker will remove all glued words on the rotor and re-engrave the rotors (this will take maybe another month), I want to buy it now and I don't want to wait anymore. And I personally think this HBB has already beaten other reps in terms of accuracy even without the rotor engraved. Did you see the black part of the rotor? It is specialled ordered, I think it is already a breakthrough of this rep. This is the first time for this watch maker to make 1:1 rep, I strongly agree he is doing extremely good (at least better than some watch makers making 1:1 watches for a long time) and I will support him in his later projects and I am sure he will build many more 1:1 replicas in the future! Regardless of engraving and all the blah blah blahs... I am in for one. The RG version. And the APs as well. Damn Angus, could u hurry the factory? I am running out of patience here... I am in for a Big Bang and two APs and I NEED them NOW. Thanks for your support If this were yet another PAM, IWC, or Rolex the movement engraving and lack of gold hallmarks would be dealbreakers and my money would stay in my wallet. But Angus and whatever shop he's working with are making the attempt to do what a lot of collectors have dreamed about--making high quality reps of interesting and unusual watches. For that reason, I'm going to buy one of each of these new models, and I hope all collectors who want this trend to continue do the same. Even if these flaws do bug some people, it seems a little...er... inconsistent to moan about some on-the-back flaws when versions 1.0 of these watches are more accurate than version 83 of a lot of PAMs and Rolexes that we wear every day. Thanks for your support :-) Well.. the Big Bang is the only watch that I really liked as much as my Panerai on my wrist therefore I will get it whatever the flaws are (which are not many) Angus.. Rose-gold version for me please Already reserved one for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonton2000 Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 I think this talk of the missing H really is nit picking a little bit.... The watch to me looks great and i will buy one, 'H' or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureTime Posted December 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Consider me in for a group buy! Nice!!!!!!! I will organise the group buy within this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rek001 Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Angus, can you please tell us more about the upcoming ultimate Pam reps? Which models? Thanks much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureTime Posted December 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Angus, can you please tell us more about the upcoming ultimate Pam reps? Which models? Thanks much. I am sorry I really want to tell you but I want to leave them to when the prototypes are out, hope this could bring some little surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 What did you mean when you were referring to the later ultimate rep? Does that mean the one coming out soon won't have AR and such? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Angus - Is it possible you could charge members a fee to get the rotor engraved as they want, with the relevant waiting time ? I don't think there would be a huge amount of people who would go for it, but it would sate those who want it, as well as swell the numbers in your initial group buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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