Stephane Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Hi Everyone, I had a funny experience with my local watchmaker here in Malta Two of my watches, both with allegedly genuine ETA 2836-2 had issues. Apparently, he fixed them both. He congratulated me: "very good movements, not Chinese my friend!" So, I had some doubts on the guy in the end because from what I remember, the Deep Sea may not be a genuine ETA but a Clone. What do you think ? Genuine Eta 2836-2 or a clone? Cheers Stephane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 More photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btimko Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Clone... The two screws that hold on the automatic device should be blued if I'm not mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
508-Fanatic Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 It's a crone. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 It's a crone. ;-) crone = ugly old hag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendota Explorer Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Keep them coming guys....I love this. How a trained/certified ETA watchmaker cannot spot the difference. I mean, you can, right? So funny :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Clone... The two screws that hold on the automatic device should be blued if I'm not mistaken. Not in agreement with you my friend ;-) They are what they have in stock. In some of my Swatch Group genuine watches they vary ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 What bothers me is in fact the edges of the wheels. They are not as smooth as some of my other Eta mvt... That is almost impossible for a genuine ETA isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btimko Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Not in agreement with you my friend ;-) They are what they have in stock. In some of my Swatch Group genuine watches they vary ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btimko Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Yah I don't doubt that at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Yah I don't doubt that at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 lol look at the swiss made engravings on the rotor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Unlike Rolex, ETA does not train watchmakers in the intricacies involved in spotting modern ETA clones. I have seen long-time watchmakers with more than 25 years of experience be fooled by Rolex movement clones, which are obvious knock-offs to any of the senior members here. Never assume professional = well-informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
508-Fanatic Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Unlike Rolex, ETA does not train watchmakers in the intricacies involved in spotting modern ETA clones. I have seen long-time watchmakers with more than 25 years of experience be fooled by Rolex movement clones, which are obvious knock-offs to any of the senior members here. Never assume professional = well-informed. 10000% At our local Rolex Dealer they don't know their behind from their elbows on anything but the absolute newest watches, and only people that have been there multiple years could spot only a crude fake. That said, you can bring in *any* decent franken build and they'll "ooh and ahh" all over it. If I wanted to be a real SOB I could take the 5513 in there once it's complete and trade it for a new Daytona. I swear to god they'd probably do it. I'll tell them I bought it from Robert Maron hahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted April 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 An update after 48 hours wearing both (not on the same arm though!) The clone (Crone) is keeping cosc time. In fact it runs precisely, not even a second difference. The genuine ETA lost 10 seconds... Go figure ?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 In addition to the above the balance jewel shock-spring retainer thingie only has one notch, clone for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
508-Fanatic Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 An update after 48 hours wearing both (not on the same arm though!) The clone (Crone) is keeping cosc time. In fact it runs precisely, not even a second difference. The genuine ETA lost 10 seconds... Go figure ?! The Miyota in my FauxMega 300 Master keeps time as well as any ETA I own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjjoyce1 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 In addition to the above the balance jewel shock-spring retainer thingie only has one notch, clone for sure. I looked at that too, but I magnified the photo. You can see it actually has three notches. Therefore I vote "real" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxracingshox Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 LOL I like how most of you guys state is an "obvious asian" 2836, whereas this a gen ETA 2836 :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I checked my genuine ones and I can tell you guys it's quite easy to spot, and still confusing. That said, the pics of the movement on top of this threat are 100% from a clone. The gen Eta has very smooth wheels and,...which is a surprise once again, although not new information, the logo is poisoned on the movement like it's bitten by the plates. My reference is my Tissot PRS which is a genuine 2836-2 of course. Pics of a genuine one installed by Andy in my Noob Explorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Now, here is the Tissot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 But, I would like to add that so far my Tissot, Explorer II with gen ETA and my DeepSea with Clone ar all running perfectly well. So, is it worth going the extra money? Not sure anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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