seafoam Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Make that 5 Tags Just got this in the mail. 4 gens and this guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogeha Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I love old Heurers, but they are mostly cheap enough to buy genuine. When I first started to get serious about watches, I read TAG-Heurer didn't have any factory and just outsourced everything. That put me right off. Of course the bulk of the Swiss watch companies are owned by three big luxury goods companies. I never can remember who owns what, but there are lists on the Internet. I'm guessing there is a lot more sharing of movements and part movements between in house brands than the companies would like us to know. Maybe I should forgive TH a little bit now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icoopernicus Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I definitely consider TAG Heuer to be near the bottom of the list when it comes to the bigger Swiss brands and I don't see them ever heading in the right direction. The fear of being 'left behind' or missing out on any segment of the market sets them apart from brands that take their heritage seriously. Not too many brands are as historically significant as Heuer but those brands find a good design and stick to it; watches like the Formula 1 or that friggin Connected piece of crap just don't exist within other luxury watch brands. Where the Cal. 16 Carrera and the Cal. 5 Aquaracer should be the price of entry into a modern Heuer, they offer you an infinitely less appealing Formula 1 at a massively inflated price that is just enough of a 'bargain' to bring customers in the door. At the same time that they are producing incredible pieces of Haute Horology, they are pumping out crap that amounts to sticking their logo (all that some buyers care about) onto something uglier than anything that would ever come out of Citizen (Citizen makes some hidiously busy looking watches, IMHO).Phew, End of Rant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) TAGs are shit? Wow. I thought Link Chronograph, Aquaracer Chrono and Monaco are among the best looking watch designs ever made. Finishing is equal to my gen Rollie, Omega and Breit. Almost all new TAG models are good looking. Same can't be said about Breitling's new designs... or Omega's endless supply of "special editions".Quartz TAGs aren't that great. But neither are quartz Breitlings and Omegas. The auto versions basically use the same movements (ETA). I'm a TAG fan myself. Edited December 14, 2015 by By-Tor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seafoam Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I'm with you BT. I think Tag designs have been very innovative. Just because Tag wants to broaden their demographic and offer a cost effective option doesn't give right to [censored] on their higher end watches. I suppose this is all a matter of personal opinion but some folks are just put to get Tag. I don't get it. I've got watches worth 4k and I still rank my 2k or less Tags up their in terms of quality, design, function and durribility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
508-Fanatic Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) I do have to agree about the Breitlings - some of them are just horrid looking in my personal opinion... However, I think every brand has it's "uggo's" for lack of a better word haha. I love the Breitling Transocean's for example, and I've been searching for their Transocean Chrono in the elusive panda form...genuine of course... The issue I have had with Tag is that which many members have touched on... and an issue I take with any brand trying to sell a base ETA movement in a stainless steel case for $3,000 or a gussied up ETA for $xx,xxx like some Panerai... I don't believe in it, it's not good watch making and it's not good business over all. You short the brand, in my opinion. Then when TH did release an in-house caliber, it turns out it was just a jacked up Seiko, again not a bad movement, but worth the $$$? Not inherently. Edited December 14, 2015 by 508-Fanatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogeha Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I just want to say I'm a watch guy. I love mechanical watches. I have a thing for vintage Rolex and at the other end of the spectrum old Seikos. That is my personal choice. I do like some other watches and will own anything that appeals to me. If someone likes a watch I don't rate, I'd rather focus on common ground of being watch guys than argue. I've been following this thread and I'm hoping it doesn't turn bitter. We are a small enough group of hobbyists, with large and powerful groups who would like to put an end to our hobby. We don't need to fall out with each other. I'm not having a go at anyone here, just saying and I hope it is understood in the spirit I intend it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Aquagraph is a stunner.It's a lot like my favorite Breitling... the Fish. Built like a tank. Big, macho diver watch for a big man. It's weird how TAG is not considered on par... and how Breitling has such a high class, premium image... and they've been using the same bulk ETAs since the day one. It's just marketing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seafoam Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I think the Jeff Gordan sponsorship ruined it for Tag with some folks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatico Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 "IMHO TAG Heuer's Carrera line is just about as timeless as a watch line gets these days,"Agree but wish they had left TAG off the dial and just went with Heuer like on the Monaco. Imho their retro styles should be Heuer, not TAG Heuer. When the name 'TAG Heuer' comes to mind I see quartz dive watches."Overall, as a brand, TAG Heuer could probably do without Formula 1 and Link."Agree again, the Formula has moved upscale in price too much to be an entry model and the LINK has an identity problem. I have a steel LINK that does not know if it is a dress watch or sport watch. The watch is rated at 200M and has a rotating bezel, screw down crown, crown guards etc but has a bracelet without a dive extension or adjustment. Dressy diver maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icoopernicus Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I hope no one thinks I'm crapping all over all TAG Heuers, while I'm clearly crapping all over the Formula 1 range, I'm sure that can be forgiven I also feel i need to come to the defence of the Cal. 1887 again. This is not a gussied up Seiko movement, TAG Heuer purchased the intellectual property rights to the movement and it is manufactured by TAG Heuer, for TAG Heuer. While they didn't disclose the purchase from Seiko, on its face this is not a reason to dismiss the movement for what it is. Also, their selling the 1887, a manufactured column wheel chronograph for around $5000, on what planet is that not a bargain?Perhaps the Carrera and Monaco lines should continue to exist with only the Heuer logo and TAG should be reserved for models that were created more recently or are more or less entry level. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Personally, I think Link is one of the best watch designs. Link Calibre 36 is a stunner. If I remember correctly. that comes with El Primero movement.So is Calibre 16. The worst part of Link Chronos was the lack of AR. Fixed now. Edited December 15, 2015 by By-Tor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icoopernicus Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Yes, Likn Calibre 36! I consistently forget that this was a thing... And what a thing it was. Also, I looked and they are relatively cheap to pick up second hand. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seafoam Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 I've got an obsession with the Carrera: I also always wanted a Monza so picked up one of those too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogeha Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 I've got an obsession with the Carrera: I also always wanted a Monza so picked up one of those too I've got an obsession with the Carrera: I also always wanted a Monza so picked up one of those too I really like number six. Is that a gen or a rep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seafoam Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Thanks brutha! They're all gens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 My Aquaracer Chrono. One of the best watch photos I took (imho). Too bad I lost the larger wallpaper version. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seafoam Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 It was this photo that inspired me to buy the gen. Unfortunately I sold it (to red). I miss that watch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borz Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Also, their selling the 1887, a manufactured column wheel chronograph for around $5000, on what planet is that not a bargain?On a planet where that same column wheel/vertical clutch chrono movement with Seiko logo is found in $350 Invictas, I suppose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seafoam Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) MSRP on most high end watches is ridiculous! 1887's can be found for about $2500 these days. Invictas are made in China!! Edited December 23, 2015 by seafoam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seafoam Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 The new Tutima chronographs are $5000. They use the 7750 as a base and make minor adjustments. The 1887 is almost all in-house from my understanding. Most high end watch companies adopt this technique of buying ebauches (primarily ETA) and making modifications/changing out parts to them. Doesn't seem fair to pick on Tag. I guess it's always more fun to pick on the big guy What's interesting with ETA pulling their ebauches to all but about 6 or 7 watch companies is that while they aren't selling the entire movement to the other watch companies where they withdrew, they can and are still selling parts a la carte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icoopernicus Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 On a planet where that same column wheel/vertical clutch chrono movement with Seiko logo is found in $350 Invictas, I suppose?I would like to be pointed in the direction of this $350 Invicta, mostly out of curiosity. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borz Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 http://www.amazon.com/Invicta-0741-Collection-Automatic-Chronograph/dp/B004PAN2CO - here's one, ironically a Tag Aquaracer ripoff. Listed at $440 but normally found for around $350. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyheyhey Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 I hope no one thinks I'm crapping all over all TAG Heuers, while I'm clearly crapping all over the Formula 1 range, I'm sure that can be forgiven I also feel i need to come to the defence of the Cal. 1887 again. This is not a gussied up Seiko movement, TAG Heuer purchased the intellectual property rights to the movement and it is manufactured by TAG Heuer, for TAG Heuer. While they didn't disclose the purchase from Seiko, on its face this is not a reason to dismiss the movement for what it is. Also, their selling the 1887, a manufactured column wheel chronograph for around $5000, on what planet is that not a bargain?Perhaps the Carrera and Monaco lines should continue to exist with only the Heuer logo and TAG should be reserved for models that were created more recently or are more or less entry level. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus using TapatalkLongines sell a Hydroconquest Chronograph with an upgraded 7750 column wheel. And it's much cheaper than 5k.Sent from my SGP521 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB272 Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 i might have mistaken a gen for a rep but since it got By-Tor to post in my thread i am rolling twith it lol... Hes the reason i got into reps.... LEGEND! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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