ari Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Here's my attempt at a 202/A dial. Cheers, Ari202a_dial.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazonkers Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Here's my attempt at a 202/A dial. Cheers, Ari Do a sandwich dial from a 111H or 112H. Those really need to be done right. But do it in another thread since I kinda hijacked this one back to your regularly scheduled 201A dial discussion ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) Guys, it isn't drawings, or graphic files that are the problem. In DSN case - it's the dial makers. We need to somehow make sure they get it right, which is the biggest challenge of them all. Pamman, enzo, ari etc...they all have awesome 99.9% 1:1 drawings, but until dial makers pull some extra effort in creating a 1:1 rep dial from the drawing, we're stuck with substandard and mediocre results. Sorry for the rant...I though this was obvious... cheers, babola EDIT: ...or nicely ask Lello to see if he can pull it off on the dial side as well... Edited January 9, 2008 by babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Guys, it isn't drawings, or graphic files that are the problem. In DSN case - it's the dial makers. We need to somehow make sure they get it right, which is the biggest challenge of them all. Pamman, enzo, ari etc...they all have awesome 99.9% 1:1 drawings, but until dial makers pull some extra effort in creating a 1:1 rep dial from the drawing, we're stuck with substandard and mediocre results. Sorry for the rant...I though this was obvious... cheers, babola EDIT: ...or nicely ask Lello to see if he can pull it off on the dial side as well... OK, lets do this. I have talked to Lello about the printing side and that looks to be a runner. After all if his printer can get the numbers accurately lined up on a skinny datewheel then getting a simple Panerai dial printed properly will be a 'penalty kick'. So, don't be too concerned about the printing. If only Davidsen would get the engraving accurate then I don't care how badly his printing is carried out as, providing I can buy a dozen dials from him, I would just strip them and get then finished properly. However the engraving isn't looking too good. The big question....... DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONTACT FOR GETTING ENGRAVING CARRIED OUT??? We are talking reasonably simple shapes at a fairly large size but the engraver needs to listen and understand that he shouldn't interpret anything, just copy the quirky lobsided shapes that the 'strange man' wants.....no improvements or smoothing out the curves etc. Can anyone suggest a CNC engraver? I have accurate 1:1 scans of the correct dial and loads of high resolution artwork but just need someone who can engarve simple shapes on brass. Doesn't sound too much but I haven't had any luck locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 OK, lets do this. I have talked to Lello about the printing side and that looks to be a runner. After all if his printer can get the numbers accurately lined up on a skinny datewheel then getting a simple Panerai dial printed properly will be a 'penalty kick'. So, don't be too concerned about the printing. If only Davidsen would get the engraving accurate then I don't care how badly his printing is carried out as, providing I can buy a dozen dials from him, I would just strip them and get then finished properly. However the engraving isn't looking too good. The big question....... DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONTACT FOR GETTING ENGRAVING CARRIED OUT??? We are talking reasonably simple shapes at a fairly large size but the engraver needs to listen and understand that he shouldn't interpret anything, just copy the quirky lobsided shapes that the 'strange man' wants.....no improvements or smoothing out the curves etc. Can anyone suggest a CNC engraver? I have accurate 1:1 scans of the correct dial and loads of high resolution artwork but just need someone who can engarve simple shapes on brass. Doesn't sound too much but I haven't had any luck locally. Are you sure lello's EU printer will print Panerai's name AND logo on a dial? If so, that's great! There havet to be dozens of CNC shops in the states who could easily do this--and since there would be no branding on the dial there would be absolutely no trademark issues. If I had time to do it I would try Thomasnet. Your problem is going to be finding someone who will work in very small runs w/o killing you on setup fees which in my limited experience ordering CNC work is the significant part of short run jobs. I also wonder if laser engraving is possible. That might be cheaper since setup costs would be lower. Just don't want to see this one go the way of the Santos 100 Dial project... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Are you sure lello's EU printer will print Panerai's name AND logo on a dial? If so, that's great! ................. Just don't want to see this one go the way of the Santos 100 Dial project... I don't think that we will have any problem with the printing side of things.......that seems to be OK. I don't want to see this disappearing either. I have put a lot of effort into this and have even bought a preA dial so that I have an actual dial with the correct preV / preA engraving as a reference. Therefore I certainly won't forget about this project but it may take a considerable time to sort out. I have been using a local engraving facility with a 'CNC' type machine to try to get the base dials right. However, so far thay have not been up to scratch. The most frustrating thing is that the overall finish of Davidsen's machined dial looks really good but the accuracy isn't there while my problem has been the reverse. While is certainly want to get a good 5218/201A dial I think that we should also be interested in the preA T-SWISS-T dials which use the same engraved base. We already have the correct style crown guards etc to complete these watches and the dial printing is the same as the A to G series watches with the T SWISS T or L SWISS L altered to T-SWISS-T. If Davidsen would only sort out the 6 and 9 he could sell me a bunch of bare brass dials immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cskent69 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Wow, DSN.. I think it looks better than 1st prototype. I made 1:1 comparison images this time too... I wish this is a little bit be a help to making Perfect PAM!! DSN 2nd dial and Gen overlap image 12 is looks perfect... 3 is perfect too!! 9 is little bit different.. but I think It's good. 6 is need to be adjustment... Dude, i love these kinds of posts. That is cool as hell. This is an excellent thread. I have not bought a new PAM since my 063 2 years ago. If they actaully get this right, i am in like flint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlgrey-erfurt Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Don t know if you know this http://www.ne.jp/asahi/panerai/carpediem/h...p;PreApam2.html cheers helmut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Don t know if you know this http://www.ne.jp/asahi/panerai/carpediem/h...p;PreApam2.html cheers helmut This watch was recently being offered for sale as a gen 5218/201A but it is a Franken. Yes, this highlights the difference in the thicker crown, thick crownguard (same as current series) and case, particularly the case lugs. Interestingly the earlier rep cases were closer to the preVendome in that they had the more rounded lugs and higher, squarer corners. Don't forget that the preV cases hadn't threaded lugs but had a 2-screw set-up. If I get the dial sorted I will use my first rep case (005) with the lugs drilled, plain sapphire crystal, 2.1mm Palp crown and a gen H series CG. I've got all the bits ready except for the dial and that's why Davidsen's inaccurate dial is driving me nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsenjpn Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 (edited) New cnc engrave 201 dial not yet ready from re printing of logos.Hopefully I will get it back in the next few days. But other up garded parts are made and ready.Would like to show them to you first. 1.New case New case been made with 2 pcs screw bars lugs. 2.New Flat and Brushed CG been added to the new case 3.new case back 4.A pre A style leather straps with sew in buckle I simply use my first generation sandwich dial to put all thes new parts together . Hope you like the outcome. Will post new pics of the new dial soon. Edited January 24, 2008 by davidsenjpn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADRED7 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Davidsen....very good-looking, you made great efforts....Thanks for sharing. Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panera Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 All I can Say that It is stunning. Who says What ever............. As you said you are not making 1:1 gen Just the rep and It looks OK .. 0.01 mm smaller or bigger... These are a toy story who is gonna size with how...? keep up working bro You are the Noumber One...Italians at frienze should learn alot of tricky from you my friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangers158 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Somehow the crownguard and crown looks weird together. The crown looks too small and does not the deep enough recess at the top of the crown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingrick Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 The best 201A rep to date, great effor Davidsen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Chief Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I'm really exciting this new case! DSN, thanks for your effort and we would ready to buying this! DSN, when you offer new series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lello Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Are you sure lello's EU printer will print Panerai's name AND logo on a dial? If so, that's great! I just spoke yesterday to my printer about this issue. He answered that he is not willing to make dials from scratch, but he won't have any problem to re print existent dials, even with names and logos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 The screws and lug holes look odd. The hole in each lug should be exactly the same size as the unthreaded hole in the current cases and short screw at each end should be the same thickness as the current screws. However the central bar should be the same thickness as the current tubes but should be solid and threaded at each end to accept the short screws. If anyone has any difficulty visualising the correct preV arrangement simply insert a normal screw into a normal tube and ignore the threaded end. The other end with the screw slot looks like the genuine preV 2-screw setup when it is assembled. The set up that Davidsen has posted seems to be of uniform thickness throughout with the lug holes too large. This will mean that the central section will not be secured between the lugs unless he is proposing a stepped hole in the lug with only the narrow threaded part of the short screw passing through to the central bar. If that is the proposed arrangement it would work but will be unnecessarily compilcated and results in the screw heads and lug holes being noticably too large Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarks Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Wow. Well done. Biggups davidsenjpn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 All looks good to me ....like to have a good look at that CG ... Davidsen - will these CG's only work with your new case - have you used the smaller CG screws again as these were easily stripped ? Regards FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmg Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Oh boy, I thought I was just going to be able to get away with a better 201A dial. Nice work Davidsen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 please compare the crown-guard and the crown. gen 201a image. rolli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Looking good Davidsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cskent69 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 guys - check out this link - wow! Sorry if this has been posted before. ALSO - isn't the 6 just and upside down 9 - it looks that way to me??? http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Pan..._A_Panerai.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cskent69 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I just spoke yesterday to my printer about this issue. He answered that he is not willing to make dials from scratch, but he won't have any problem to re print existent dials, even with names and logos. Not to threadjack - but does that mean that we (anyone) has to provide the right art files and dial blanks - and he will print it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 guys - check out this link - wow! Sorry if this has been posted before. ALSO - isn't the 6 just and upside down 9 - it looks that way to me??? http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Pan..._A_Panerai.html Yes the 9 is exactly the same as a 6 rotated through 180 degrees. Even the 'bump' is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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