Feta1 Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Looking for some opinions... I want a nice yet simple dress watch and have narrowed it down to these 2: This Pam 197 (8 days) or This Pam 231 Both are Rose Gold and have the Asian Unitas 6497 17J Manual Handwind Movement Price seems to be good on both... Opinions or comments in helping me choose??? Thanks and Happy Holidays to everyone at RWG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Feta...I don't like either. At first, I preferred the 197 because I think the 183 is a stunning watch, and this one in RG is perfect. I prefer base PAMs, but the 197 "called" to me more. But then I saw the engraving -- or utter lack of! Meh. The C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feta1 Posted December 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Feta...I don't like either. At first, I preferred the 197 because I think the 183 is a stunning watch, and this one in RG is perfect. I prefer base PAMs, but the 197 "called" to me more. But then I saw the engraving -- or utter lack of! Meh. The C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Get the 231. Very nice watch and you will love it. Trusty has it with the swiss 6497 and sapphire crystal also., but the other way is ok as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feta1 Posted December 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Get the 231. Very nice watch and you will love it. Trusty has it with the swiss 6497 and sapphire crystal also., but the other way is ok as well. Can you notice a difference between the synthetic vs the real sapphire??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 197 and synthetic saphire is real saphire the only other sort comes in an an expencive ring form blue in colour and would make it a real expencive and not very usable watch with that as glass! The only issue here is that the wording synthetic has been used as a bit of a scam to sell watches with mineral glass. Synthetic Sapphire: It is a very hard, transparent material made of crystallizing aluminum oxide at very high temperatures. Chemically, synthetic sapphire is the same as the natural sapphire used in jewelry, but without the coloring agents that give the gemstone its various hues. When it is heated, the synthetic sapphire forms round masses that are sliced into pieces with diamond-coated saws. These disks are then ground and polished into watch crystals. (One reason sapphire crystals are relatively expensive is that the tools required to make them are costly.) Sapphire (whether natural or synthetic) is one of the hardest substances on earth. It measures 9 on the Mohs scale, which is a system for rating the relative hardness of various materials. (Diamond measures 10, the highest rating.) Watch crystals made of synthetic sapphire are often marketed as "scratch resistant", meaning they are very difficult - but not impossible - to scratch. Diamond can scratch them; so can man-made materials that incorporate silicon carbide, which, with a Mohs rating of between 9 and 10, is, like diamond, harder than sapphire. These materials are sometimes used to make simulated-stone surfaces for furniture or walls. The watch wearer should note that accidentally scraping a sapphire crystal against such a surface could cause a scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warbody Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Get a 183 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alant Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Yes 183 may be a good choice. Else I would prefer 231. Imagine a bit.. I will take it a step further...imagine 183 in pink gold casing with matching gold hour hand, minute hand and secs hand...no doubt its a fantasy watch but I believe it looks pretty nice too...what do you all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I prefer the 231....the strap is garbage so you'll need to replace that right away...and it is quite the delicate operation...changing straps on rads sux mad ass....fookin OP needs to relook that foolishness....i don't know how many #^&$&(*&% swearin' and cussin' one can do when changin' those fookers but I have done it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronoKing Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 231 All the way! I just ordered one from TTK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feta1 Posted December 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 197 and synthetic saphire is real saphire the only other sort comes in an an expencive ring form blue in colour and would make it a real expencive and not very usable watch with that as glass! The only issue here is that the wording synthetic has been used as a bit of a scam to sell watches with mineral glass. Synthetic Sapphire: It is a very hard, transparent material made of crystallizing aluminum oxide at very high temperatures. Chemically, synthetic sapphire is the same as the natural sapphire used in jewelry, but without the coloring agents that give the gemstone its various hues. When it is heated, the synthetic sapphire forms round masses that are sliced into pieces with diamond-coated saws. These disks are then ground and polished into watch crystals. (One reason sapphire crystals are relatively expensive is that the tools required to make them are costly.) Sapphire (whether natural or synthetic) is one of the hardest substances on earth. It measures 9 on the Mohs scale, which is a system for rating the relative hardness of various materials. (Diamond measures 10, the highest rating.) Watch crystals made of synthetic sapphire are often marketed as "scratch resistant", meaning they are very difficult - but not impossible - to scratch. Diamond can scratch them; so can man-made materials that incorporate silicon carbide, which, with a Mohs rating of between 9 and 10, is, like diamond, harder than sapphire. These materials are sometimes used to make simulated-stone surfaces for furniture or walls. The watch wearer should note that accidentally scraping a sapphire crystal against such a surface could cause a scratch. So in the case of our dealers when they say "synthetic sapphire" is that really mineral glass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
335xray Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 So in the case of our dealers when they say "synthetic sapphire" is that really mineral glass? No, synthetic sapphire is "synthetic sapphire". If it is mineral glass, it should say mineral in the description. There is no "real sapphire" or non-synthetic sapphire cyrstal used in watches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alant Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Hi Feta1, you might want to check out TTK's new Radiomir Black Seal! It's a beautiful piece! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feta1 Posted January 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Hi Feta1, you might want to check out TTK's new Radiomir Black Seal! It's a beautiful piece! How do you order from TTK? Is skype the only way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazonkers Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I prefer the 231....the strap is garbage so you'll need to replace that right away...and it is quite the delicate operation...changing straps on rads sux mad ass....fookin OP needs to relook that foolishness....i don't know how many #^&$&(*&% swearin' and cussin' one can do when changin' those fookers but I have done it.... Hah! I got my first Rad the other day after owning a bunch of luminors. I had the exact same reaction. It's making me rethink a 210. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alant Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Hi Feta1, yes you may order from TTK via skype fast and easy way. He used to take orders via email but he has since do away with that. But do take note of time zone difference, otherwise you could see that he is readily available to take your call and order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 If the choice is 197 or 231 as a dress watch then it is definitelly the 231, basic, no unneccessary chi-chi like a dial claiming it is the "8days" (and a movement with no similarity at all). However, I feel that the radiomir looks best as a base version without seconds, submarines, sharks etc. on the dial and even without a glass caseback. No matter which metal color you choose I believe a very basic Radiomir definetelly looks best. Besides that they are the more common thing and it is easier for others to believe it is real. If you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 A bit of a late entry, I know, and apologies if it doesn't help with your decision, but, personally, I feel that with PAMs, it is the strap, not so much the watch itself, which dictates it's role in a wardrobe. For example, I'd always thought that the 127 would be too big for wearing with a suit to look smart, but, pairing it with a black aligator strap, with off-white stitching, and it looked incredibly smart and formal. When I wear it on the honey/tan straps, it looks casual. When I wear it on the rubber diver-strap, it looks 'more modern', functional and rugged (it also appears larger, due to the shape of the strap shoulders) Of course, in all those situations, the watch is exactly the same, it is just the straps which are changed, and which create the greatest change in tone and role. I have plans to get a Radiomir as a 'dress watch', but, I know that nine times out of ten, simply putting a black strap on my 127 would be 'smart enough'. Also, the Radiomir I had in mind, was the vintage variant, with four line cut-throughs on the cartinal directions, and 'dot' cut-throughs to represent the 'lesser' hours. Incredibly simplistic watch, which, in dress occasions, is the aim: Simplicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepshow Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) No, synthetic sapphire is "synthetic sapphire". If it is mineral glass, it should say mineral in the description. There is no "real sapphire" or non-synthetic sapphire cyrstal used in watches. It *should* say mineral glass, I agree 100%. However, in the case of most (if not all) rep dealers if it is NOT mineral glass, it will simply be advertised as "sapphire crystal", if it says "synthetic sapphire" in the description, it's mineral glass. I'll bet you dollars to donuts on it... Edited January 10, 2008 by peepshow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepshow Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Oh, and I vote 231. I LOVE my 210 and wouldn't trade it for anything. Base dials are where it's at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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