Guest pamfried Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 and you expect him to meet up with you??????????????????????? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCYL Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 and you expect him to meet up with you??????????????????????? LOL I'm originally from HK. Though I don't know who he is, I know where these dealers sell their watches (in a place called Mongkok). You tell them what you want, either they bring it to you or lead you to their store room where you can choose all you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertieng Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 I'm originally from HK. Though I don't know who he is, I know where these dealers sell their watches (in a place called Mongkok). You tell them what you want, either they bring it to you or lead you to their store room where you can choose all you want. Try your luck mate if you think DSN is sitting in Mongkok. If you know HK well, all those selling on the street or backyard stores are super low-end junks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCYL Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 (edited) Try your luck mate if you think DSN is sitting in Mongkok. If you know HK well, all those selling on the street or backyard stores are super low-end junks. Really? Well, that I'm not so sure, because I've seen watches ranging from absolute garbage to excellent replica; it's all hit or miss. Few years ago, I went there and saw what would be considered a high-end omega speedmaster replica; the only obvious flaw (visually) is with the subdials being too far apart from each other. I have the feeling that these dealers are charging a lot more (at least 2x) by selling online to overseas customers; that's why I'd prefer to wait a bit longer and go buy watches directly in either HK or Guangzhou. It's safer when you can physically inspect the watch. By the way, are you from HK? I haven't been back for a few years already; don't know how the scene is like nowadays. Edited November 25, 2008 by JCYL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vric Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Yea right.. you will find DSN in the streets.. Btw, I'm on my 3rd order from him right now and so far so good. He improved his communication a lot ! Sending picture of your order before shipping asking if it's ok (like Ruby do). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flex Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 The good reps are in Guangzhou & not even in Shenzhen. yea... you can find these dealers in Hong Kong very easily..Just last week I bumped into Josh in CausewayBay. I took a pic of Josh's car. 100% Franken with aftermarket parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCYL Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 The good reps are in Guangzhou & not even in Shenzhen. yea... you can find these dealers in Hong Kong very easily..Just last week I bumped into Josh in CausewayBay. I took a pic of Josh's car. 100% Franken with aftermarket parts. u mean the ferrari is 100% Franken with aftermarket parts??? sorry for being a noob, does Franken mean building from scratch with genuine parts and rep parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCYL Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Yea right.. you will find DSN in the streets.. Btw, I'm on my 3rd order from him right now and so far so good. He improved his communication a lot ! Sending picture of your order before shipping asking if it's ok (like Ruby do). i obviously didn't mean finding him in the streets; what i meant was to get his contacts in HK so i can buy from him directly. i hate the hassles of sending watches back and forth as well as the potential problems with the customs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCYL Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 after doing some research, i just realised that these super cars can indeed be replicated based on a toyota MR2...... it seems everything is possible..... the time will come when we can replicate our favourite actresses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieG Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 DSN is the worst. He has never, ever sent one watch to me that was right. I have got POS remnant dials with crooked fonts, wrong lumes, stripped threads, and even different watches than the pre-ship pictures he sends in advance. I even waited 3 months for a replacement dial once based on one of his mistakes. And thank God I never had a customs problem since he is the only dealer that makes you eat half that even if it is on his end. Why anyone would buy from him anymore is beyond me. You gotta really love PAMs, but even then, the quality is so hit or miss why have something more visually accurate if it can't pass the feel test or if you need spring bars because of bad threads? Davidsen sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotten03 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 FWIW and that's not much as I'm a noob. I just got my first rep from him today. His communication was good, his shipping was super fast. It shipped tuesday and arrived saturday. Unfortunately I wasn't home to sign for it. Got it today. Works great, no blems. My only complaint is that it seems the lume is pretty weak. Just throwing my experience into the ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Fleischer Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 i have to say my experience with DSN was very good. i sent WU and got the watch in 3 days! He even sent 2 extra bands (good quality ) for free. the watch works fine, the lume is good but doesn't last very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borz Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Doesn't he advertise his lume as Superluminova? That stuff should glow for hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotten03 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Yeah he advertises SL. So far from my dark bathroom test it's nowhere near as bright as the lume on my Seiko Black Monster or Samurai. Those both glow bright and all night long. Maybe I'm spoiled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Fleischer Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 none of my reps have lume that lasts all night like a gen will. if they last a few hours, you're lucky! i never sent any to be lumed by the special lume people however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 DSN is the worst. He has never, ever sent one watch to me that was right. I have got POS remnant dials with crooked fonts, wrong lumes, stripped threads, and even different watches than the pre-ship pictures he sends in advance. I even waited 3 months for a replacement dial once based on one of his mistakes. And thank God I never had a customs problem since he is the only dealer that makes you eat half that even if it is on his end. Why anyone would buy from him anymore is beyond me. You gotta really love PAMs, but even then, the quality is so hit or miss why have something more visually accurate if it can't pass the feel test or if you need spring bars because of bad threads? Davidsen sucks. I completely agree. I have had nothing but rubbish from DSN and I cannot begin to understand how he has any customers at all. His product is complete tripe, his service is woeful and his manners are the pits altogether. The only thing that sets him apart from the rest is that his stuff is different, but in the main that is a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pamfried Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) The thing is some dealers forces a sale. They'll promise you a perfect product when they KNOW they dont have it on hand yet. But they'll 'rectify' after you received the POS. They know how the forums work------- I screwed up, they'll complain. But when i DO rectify the problems, they'll pat me on my back clapping that i ALWAYS come through. Thats why they dont give a damn when you receive a watch full of problems in the first place. Edited December 9, 2008 by pamfried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I completely agree. I have had nothing but rubbish from DSN and I cannot begin to understand how he has any customers at all. His product is complete tripe, his service is woeful and his manners are the pits altogether. The only thing that sets him apart from the rest is that his stuff is different, but in the main that is a bad thing. Well, I am the complete opposite - never had a problem with DSN , service is always excellent , have never had a watch that needed to be returned however I haven't bought a complete watch from him for over 18 months. I tend to buy parts only now and find him hard to beat for this service - His latest 2.0mm spring loaded crowns are almost 1:1 with gen 44mm custom sapphire is in a class of it's own ...along with gen C3 hands are the closest to gen I have seen and easier than sending rep hands for a re-lume Still stand by his 1st edition T-SWISS-T dials and his PAM 40 dial as some of the best ever 44m rep dials Pre-A OP6500 and D series OP 6520 casebacks are pretty much 1:1 engraving , Pre-V case backs - well DSN is the only option on these and they are OK not perfect but good enough. New 7750 correct font DW - no problems on these so far and a tad cheaper than Lello Case gaskets , crown gaskets , replacement crown tubes , CG screws , case clamps and screws I pity anyone who has had a bad experience and/or lost money with DSN ....but I guess so far I have been one of the lucky few. Best FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I have had the same experience as you FGD. But I have only bought one complete watch from him, ever! I always buy parts and find his service exemplary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Well, I am the complete opposite - never had a problem with DSN , service is always excellent , have never had a watch that needed to be returned however I haven't bought a complete watch from him for over 18 months. I tend to buy parts only now and find him hard to beat for this service - His latest 2.0mm spring loaded crowns are almost 1:1 with gen 44mm custom sapphire is in a class of it's own ...along with gen C3 hands are the closest to gen I have seen and easier than sending rep hands for a re-lume Still stand by his 1st edition T-SWISS-T dials and his PAM 40 dial as some of the best ever 44m rep dials Pre-A OP6500 and D series OP 6520 casebacks are pretty much 1:1 engraving , Pre-V case backs - well DSN is the only option on these and they are OK not perfect but good enough. New 7750 correct font DW - no problems on these so far and a tad cheaper than Lello Case gaskets , crown gaskets , replacement crown tubes , CG screws , case clamps and screws I pity anyone who has had a bad experience and/or lost money with DSN ....but I guess so far I have been one of the lucky few. Best FGD Pretty much similar thoughts and experience. One has to remember that DSN is pretty much alone there in his quest, he doesn't deal with mainstream rep manufacturers and distributors and tends to use diferent case/dials/parts makers. He is just different, and his stuff will always be different, sometimes better sometimes worse compared to 'mainstream' reps and in respect to closeness with gens. Many times he will be at a financial loss, as the minimum case production runs with his maker is 500+ pieces for example. When the case doesn't turn out good like his first ver of pre-V 5218/20X earlier this year, it's him who's taking the brunt. At least he is the one willing to make it right, and always listening for suggestions. I know he's not big on PMs and email replies, but rest assured he takes it all in for considerations, and time, resources and money permitting, he will try to push the envelope further. There were many unsatisfied cistomers of his but on the other side many very satisfied. Using blanket statements against or pro him and his business is just not the best way to address any issues one has with his service or quality of work. To name the few just as FGD above did...001/004A+B T-dial from 2005, 1st and 3rd gen Fiddy sapphire xtal with correct distorsion "break" like and lesser purple/blue AR hue, Fiddy hands, PAM232 Rad hands (short Fiddy hands), Luminor hands in general, 232 Rad dial V2, RXW case replicas, vintage dials, domed plexis, latest crowns for 44mm Luminors, updated 7750 DWs with thicker font, PAM10D Base dial V1, PAM10D caseback with 1:1 numbering/milesimation, latest non-A/R sapphire for pre-V, pre-A and A-C series 44mm Luminors screws, CGs, casebacks, pre-A caseback, spare parts...etc...the list goes on. I'm not standing in DSN's or anyone's defence here, just stating my personal experience with DSN, and clarifying few points. If you don't like his stuff, don't buy it noone is forcing to do so, stop whingeing and choose an alternative Pam rep source of your preference. cheers, babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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