UncleJay Posted May 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Well before i start i have not dealt with Dsn. I am just putting my 2 cents in if i was to pay big money towards a watch i would at least expect the QC to be 99% i wont say 100% as i no damage can be expexted depending on how the reciecing end look after it ie the shipping company but if somebody has paid nearly over 2000 GRAND EUROS I EXPECT a higher class of service !!! im just a NOOB what do i no? Cheers Del Welcome Del. It was actually $2000 USD, but that's high enough. BTW, I think that one should get very high QC when spending $300 + on a rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepshow Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Hmmm, I agree with your logic re: the 5 separate customers returning watches, Jay. I'm saddened to hear that he isn't shipping the replacements now, but is making you wait instead. Not cricket, IMO. PM is on the way about the spring bars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4GTR Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Thats crap. I honestly feel bad for you. Might want to test the waters before sinking your teeth into any dealer that far. I really hope this situation gets turned around. I was not pleased with the communication I got from DVN, so I stuck with josh, and I am happy with my 177H. I had a small problem with the movement, but was able to sort it on my own upon arrival. Granted, I know only a fraction of what you know about Pams, so my expectations will differ, and I can understand your taking a stab at the "supposed best". My 177H from josh.. Crown lever is way too thin, sunken cannon pin, lume sucks. If I got the urge, i'd have The Zigmeister rectify those for me though. Have a look, i'd love your thoughts. Treated it to a strapculture strap, otherwise box stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Thats crap. I honestly feel bad for you. Might want to test the waters before sinking your teeth into any dealer that far. I really hope this situation gets turned around. I was not pleased with the communication I got from DVN, so I stuck with josh, and I am happy with my 177H. I had a small problem with the movement, but was able to sort it on my own upon arrival. Granted, I know only a fraction of what you know about Pams, so my expectations will differ, and I can understand your taking a stab at the "supposed best". My 177H from josh.. Crown lever is way too thin, sunken cannon pin, lume sucks. If I got the urge, i'd have The Zigmeister rectify those for me though. Have a look, i'd love your thoughts. Treated it to a strapculture strap, otherwise box stock. Your 117 seems pretty good except for the mentioned problems. Seems you did better with Josh than I did, my Vintage GMT was a mess. I'd send the 117 to the Northern Spa, she'd look that much better. The strap gives it a really nice vintage look and seems to be well made. My buddy has one and loves it, it breaks in nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pamfried Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 @UJ as this is your first deal with him why didn't you just order 1 first to test his quality and to test if everything goes well? To order so many at 1 go is definitely not something i would do dealing with someone for the 1st time. Do hope that he will resolve all your issues soon! After my 1st deal back in 06 with dsn which went hay-wire, i never looked back. And he has not improved any better since imho. Good source for individual parts i have to agree but the whole nine yards? Not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4GTR Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Your 117 seems pretty good except for the mentioned problems. Seems you did better with Josh than I did, my Vintage GMT was a mess. I'd send the 117 to the Northern Spa, she'd look that much better. The strap gives it a really nice vintage look and seems to be well made. My buddy has one and loves it, it breaks in nicely. You bring up a point I've always wondered. Is it a 177H or 117H? Are there such things as both? This is supposed to be a 177H, titanium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 You bring up a point I've always wondered. Is it a 177H or 117H? Are there such things as both? This is supposed to be a 177H, titanium. Sorry, my bad. I meant to say the 177. The 117 is a Tobacco dialed Ti Destro Marina. Here's the breakdown. Panerai has yet to replace the 56/117 Destro, but I feel it coming next year. They did introduce the 219 Base Destro, a watch the community has long been waiting for. Ti Marina Tobacco dial: PAM0061 C-D series PAM0118 E-F series Ti Marina Destro Tobacco dial: PAM0056 C-D series PAM0117 E-F series Ti Marina Black Sandwich dial: PAM0177 G series to current Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 @ UJ Sorry to hear about your difficulties, that's no small chunk of change to be down, especially when it involves goods which are supposed to be QCd prior to delivery... Best of luck with getting the situation resolved, and, as I've never said it before now, welcome to the forum This made me chuckle: his peculiar interpretation of what a Panerai looks like. Can we please accept that his products are tripe? - yes they are different than the regular rep offerings but he is making fools of a lot of people. I have sent him numerous emails and PM offering to assist in improving the accuracy of his products but he has never had the manners to respond to a single message. He is not interested in improving anything as long as he has a bunch of supporters who won't speak up, lest they end up being blacklisted like me. While I agree entirely with what you're saying, I'd have to point out that when it comes to bringing dealers to task, there is often more support for the dealers (regardless of the issue) than support for those trying to get things improved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 As this is your first deal with him why didn't you just order 1 first to test his quality and to test if everything goes well? To order so many at 1 go is definitely not something i would do dealing with someone for the 1st time. In retrospect I should have done just that, but way too late now I guess. I had heard so much about his great product I bought in to it. His pics show a much better watch, I guess pictures don't always paint a thousand words! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p550racer Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Hello UJ, Just to clarify the River spring bars are not Pre-V style, i.e. do not show screw heads on both ends. They are basically for standard vendome reps with stripped case threads. Carpe Diem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofSpeed Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 i've seen enough in the past couple of weeks to stop me from completing my WU payment 3 times.... I feel very bad for UJ... I would hate to be in his position... I do know that DSN does make things right in the end.... just would think it would be more profitable to do it right from the start... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 just would think it would be more profitable to do it right from the start... Hell, he doesn't loose a penny. I get stuck paying shipping back, I get stuck shelling out the 2K, I get stuck waiting for the replacements and praying they are better than the last he sent. Don't forget, there is no guarantee that the replacements will be correct ..... one can only hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete2528ca Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 uncle jay, my replacement was worse than the first one. i hope things pan out for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leifhaus Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Damb, 2,000 spent? That's half way to a GEN. I have one DSN Pam 112 which I'm happy with, but have gotten the watch bug so bad that my next purchase has to be a GEN. Can't wait to spend over $4K on a $200 watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 $2,000 spent? That's half way to a GEN. Yes, $2000 .... but that was for 5 watches. It would have been worth the money if they were all useable. Can't wait to spend over $4K on a $200 watch I can't either. This just shows that the Gens are much more that $200 watches. You can always get your money back on a Panerai, but not on a POC busted watch. This has become such a PITA they should say PANERIOD of the dial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 uncle jay, my replacement was worse than the first one. i hope things pan out for you. Great, just what I wanted to hear. Did you have to wait for your watch to reach him before he shipped the replacement? How long did it take for it to get back to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete2528ca Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Zio... Sorry for the shitty news my friend. He wanted me to send it back I refused and he finally agreed to send me a replacement. the replacement arrived promptly, less than four days to Canada. When I went to pick it up there was a bill of $300 attatched to it. I figured he sent it COD, which is fine because he was making sure I would send back the original. Well it was duty and taxes, Canada border services assessed the value at 2K and taxed me on it, so I sent it back. He then had it sent to my mates house, and when I went to pick it up there was taxes and duties yet again assessed, this time roughly one hundred twenty five dollars. This time I paid the buck and a quarter and went home to find the crown grard screw holes were stripped, and the dial was scratched. He tried to blame the post office, border services, his great aunt matilda, whomever he could. In any case I emailed him that I would keep them both to make one good watch out of them since the hassle of the duties [censored] me off. I sent him a few bucks in the mail to cover the difference. I really hope it pans out for you. I will email you any other details you want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 I have informed DSN to refund my cash. I did give him a chance to make good on the order, but he would have to guarantee the watches would be to the standard he claims. What do you guys think I should do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 went home to find the crown grard screw holes were stripped, and the dial was scratched. Sounds like you got a returned watch, sounds like the one I got originally. Well, at least you'll be able to do something with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickD Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Sounds like you got a returned watch, sounds like the one I got originally. Well, at least you'll be able to do something with it. DSN is getting hammered in other forums. Over on RepGeek he's getting pummeled about the poor QT of his "new" 104. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankt Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 I hope Dsn is astute enough to realize that like ALL consumers....Rep buyers "Vote with their feet!!" His once, almost "Deific", reputation among the serious Rep collecting community has been badly bruised lately by his obviously blaise attitude towards quality control. A liberal(almost!!) policy of replacement of defective stuff is no substitute for simple attention to detail BEFORE shipping...If he were in a neighborhood mall, it might suffice, but he's 1/2 the planet and at least 2 "borders" away from the vast majority of his customer base, making easy exchanges difficult and costly!!....There is simply NO excuse for shipping merchandise with obvious defects, like stripped screw holes and badly printed dials!!..And then, RESHIPPING them to some other poor sap!! There is no question among long time rep collectors that Dsn has been at or near the forefront in innovation and availability of difficult to obtain models, and we owe him kudos for that!.... But, his recent lapses have certainly given ME a "red flag" warning about dealing with him. I'm not posting this to influence the buying decisions of any other folks, just adding my 2cents!! And remember....Free advice is usually worth exactly what it costs!! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4GTR Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Sorry, my bad. I meant to say the 177. The 117 is a Tobacco dialed Ti Destro Marina. Here's the breakdown. Panerai has yet to replace the 56/117 Destro, but I feel it coming next year. They did introduce the 219 Base Destro, a watch the community has long been waiting for. Ti Marina Tobacco dial: PAM0061 C-D series PAM0118 E-F series Ti Marina Destro Tobacco dial: PAM0056 C-D series PAM0117 E-F series Ti Marina Black Sandwich dial: PAM0177 G series to current Thanks for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 DSN is the way he is because too many people recieve their watches, then post photos of a watch with a poorly fitting CG, inacurate dial, misshapen cse etc and pour out thanks and praise for Davidsen and his 'excellent' watches. Very few people have been willing to stand up and tell the truth - I have and he won't even respond to my offers to assist with the accuracy of his new productions. As long as he has got a reputation that he doesn't deserve he won't change. HIS WATCHES ARE RUBBISH, HIS BUILD QUALITY IS BAD AND HIS SERVICE IS WOEFUL. My biggest complaint is that he treats us all like a bunch of morons and unfortunately he has succeeded in making fools out of a lot of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 WOW perfectly said, I have to give you on your honesty. He's just getting and this lack of QC will most likely in his face. I just hope that if he bails from his sinking he doesn't leave us or out in the . Recent posts have given me an for a new forum to collector problems. Moderators would then be able to for the community. I would be the to volunteer, and I'm sure I could find a and to help. We need to stop being and together now. Hey, some of us here save for a while to get an expensive rep and then take a , that's not right. Collectors who don't respect the community should be ! I also want to say that I'm NOT a voilent person and it took me longer to write this post than it did to make my first child Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiohead101 Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 LOL at the above post, Jay you're hilarious But to the point of your post, do you mean a new subforum or like a new place? I like the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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