Tribal Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Today I received the V2 WM9 Submariner..... It looks good in my opinion, CG's are better shaped from factory now, but they are a bit too long.... Also the Crown is a bit oversized.... The Dial looks good,also the Lume is great on this one.... But there are no Serif Minute Markers like on the Noob Dial Print is really crisp Date numbers looking also good.... The Insert is the best Rep one I have seen... Now here are some Pics of the Movement What a small movement! I can't tell you if this is a Real ETA..... Now here a comparsion of the Crowns You see the WM9 is a bit oversized Here are some other shots etched Crown is barely not visible with the naked Eye Its reallly a good Sub and there are some good improvements but it needs still some work.... But its the best Sub out of the Box in my opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URkuk Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nice photos.. Wear it well.. I am sending mine to The Zigmeister for service in March..George claims the movement is Swiss ETA... The Zigmeister will determine if that statement is true.. I also thought the crown was a bit large but I can live with that ( if not eBay for a gen) Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nice photos.. Wear it well.. I am sending mine to The Zigmeister for service in March..George claims the movement is Swiss ETA... The Zigmeister will determine if that statement is true.. I also thought the crown was a bit large but I can live with that ( if not eBay for a gen) Bill Thanks mate, maybe The Zigmeister can clarify if this is a real Eta... BTW I cange the Tube and Crown on this one like I ever do,CG's where reshaped and I install also a gen Insert Keep you all updated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nice photos.. Wear it well.. I am sending mine to The Zigmeister for service in March..George claims the movement is Swiss ETA... The Zigmeister will determine if that statement is true.. I also thought the crown was a bit large but I can live with that ( if not eBay for a gen) Bill Nothing wrong w/ a movement designed for ladies watches (Ms. A has an ETA 2671 muller rep that has worked fine the very few few times she's worn it) as long as the extra long stem is no problem and/or the bigger men's watch hands won't drain the power reserve or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopypants Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 so, that date disk must much larger/wider now?!?! is it flimsy inside the case?!?! meaning, is it consistently placed close against the date window? does that retaining ring keep it all level? So, why did they go with the smaller movement? PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Congrats to your new watch, and wear it well my friend... Always the same, one step forward and two steps back (I am talking about dial and crown)... The movement is also not my taste, but if it runs well...anyway - nobody can see what is in the wach! And you are right, it's maybe the best out of the box sub available! For our members which are not so slick and have not tools and the knowhow it is the best grab around. I will pull out my Euromariner Sub from sale now, because I don't see any reason now to sell it. Maybe on the WM9 is not so much to do on, but I invested in mine a lot of time and money to get it on that what it looks like - so I have to keep it and wait for maybe something better to come out...let's wait up for the BK WM9-Mariner, maybe there will be some improvements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 So, why did they go with the smaller movement? That's what I asked myself, I thought the crown position is now fixed with that movement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 so, that date disk must much larger/wider now?!?! is it flimsy inside the case?!?! meaning, is it consistently placed close against the date window? does that retaining ring keep it all level? So, why did they go with the smaller movement? PP NO all works fine.. I think they took this movement because the 2836-2 is harder to get this times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Is the tube position better now Tribal, is it higher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilty Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Is the tube position better now Tribal, is it higher? Not likely. I would have to say it is probably lower. (further from dial) center stem to dial seat on 2678 is 2.30mm center stem to dial seat on 2836-2 is 2.25mm Also, the date disc is recessed in the 2678 mainplate, so a spacer would be needed between the dial and 2678 in order for the overlay to function. Probably adding another 0.10mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Tube position looks the same to me..... Its also the same case than for the ETA 2836-2 I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 BK had mentioned installing a 2836 if you furnished it, in lieu of the 2678, so crown position has to be the same- i.e., too low. But who the heck is ever going to notice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 (edited) Thanks Tribal for a great review as usual. I'm still waiting for the movements and bracelets. George said he actually makes a m serial bracelet and a z serial bracelet. I didn't know they use different bracelets. The crown and tube are indeed too thick like I said in my first update. I already ordered custom crown and tube sets to be made for the wm9 v2 sub. It'll be my special upgrade option. I think Rolex stopped the sans serif style on the hour markers for m and z serial (correct me if I'm wrong). So the wm9 dial is actually correct in terms of the hour markers not having sans serif style for its m and z serial subs. I'm slightly disappointed there's still no sans serif styling on the small text because Rolex kept sans serif style on the small text while it has stopped it on the hour markers. But then the old king of sub dials, the noob dial, doesn't implement sans serif on the small text either. So I still maintain the wm9 v2 sub dial is the new king because its "ROLEX" text's vertical strokes are finally thick (they are skinny on the noob dial) and the date window is larger and has more correct rectangular shape, not to mention the superlume. Yes, this case can take a 2836-2. wm9 can provide the movement rings for 2836-2. Several reasons for using this movement, 1. is steady, easy, basically unlimited supply of 2678-2 (2836-2 is too popular, it often runs short like now the factory is temporarily short of it. That's why I'm not getting gen ETA version of DSSD V3). 2. quality problem of some recent 2836-2 batches 3. George said gen ETA 2678-2 ebauches are made in Swiss instead of Asia like the 2836-2 ebauches. I don't know if it's true. But definitely worth giving a try, right? -bk Edited December 20, 2008 by bklm1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I think Rolex stopped the sans serif style on the hour markers for m and z serial (correct me if I'm wrong). That's correct! I don't knew about it... Every day some new surprises...that's Rolex! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin25 Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 The crown and tube are indeed too thick like I said in my first update. I already ordered custom crown and tube sets to be made for the wm9 v2 sub. It'll be my special upgrade option. Wow, WM9 v2 BK upgraded looking forward to it!. Congrats with your new sub Tribal, looking for your updates/mods for this watch as well. E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
im2 Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Everyone feels strange when seeing a small movement like that in his 500$ rep... But then, if it works fine , then it is ok i guess.. BK, have you already ordered custom crowns and tubes? Apart from the "2 steps back" as mentioned, the finest rlx rep lume we ve seen and no need to order an aftermarket insert make a big big step forward... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corgi Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Adorable little thing! It looks so out of place in there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Nice looking sub, good luck with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cht Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 (edited) wow, the euromariner seems to be far behind the wm9 nowadays! Sure the euro has the noob dial, but the other improvements on the wm9 seem to more than make up for it. aren't the newer crowns coming from the AD oversized nowadys? Looks great! Thanks for the pics! Edited December 20, 2008 by cht Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 (edited) I already ordered my custom crowns. I hope they come out right. Rep crowns often are too big. There's a reason. Gen crown has very thin skin. I assume Rolex has superior technology and probably better steel to make the skin thin and yet strong. The top portion is very hard for crown makers in China to replicate with a rep budget. So they make the top bulge thick (like on the SSD crown). They usually throw in bonus flaws like making the teeth too long like on the wm9 crown. The proper way to do is IMO is make the top skin thick (no choice, the Chinese can only make it thick), but make the tube shorter. The goal is to make the exterior identical. There's really not much sacrificing on the structure or water resistance capability. I'm not talking about significantly shortening the tube. There's still plenty to screw around (pardon my pun). @cht: no Rolex hasn't shorten the 7mm crown. Same old and is used on almost every new model, e.g. gmt-iic. -bk Edited December 20, 2008 by bklm1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopypants Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 so, are those two other holes the dial feet popping through the movement ring? does this mean one could use a genuine dial without cutting the feet off?!?! PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URkuk Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Lume shot of my M serial# yummy!! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gplracer Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 so, are those two other holes the dial feet popping through the movement ring? does this mean one could use a genuine dial without cutting the feet off?!?! PP Very interesting observation. I await the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldeCrow Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Am I the only one here who thinks that movement is the F*$ktardiest, wackjob, cracksmoking, ass pounding of a hackjob in the history of overpriced reps????? crap the 2678 is touchy on a good day but after it's been tossed around the world, mishandled by some five year old in their parents coat closet (AKA a rep factory) that movement isn't going to last two years!! but hey great lume! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URkuk Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Am I the only one here who thinks that movement is the F*$ktardiest, wackjob, cracksmoking, ass pounding of a hackjob in the history of overpriced reps????? LOL nice vocabulary...and yes you may be the only one who thinks that way.. or maybe not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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