Corgi Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hello and happy new year. Somebody brought this to my attention in another thread, but I think this news is so big that it deserves a thread of its own. A short while ago on his website Perfect Clones, Joshua listed two all-black "Pro Hunter" Rolex Daytona wristwatches. The watches themselves are nothing special but what's inside could be the saving grace Daytona fans have been looking for. Just check out these specifications: Model : PVD Black SS Case and Red Inked Bezel, Black Dial, Silver Subdials, Stick Markers on PVD Black SS Oyster Bracelet, Movement: Asia 7750 Valjoux Working Chronograph movement Updated Decorated Insignia Rotor, 28800 bph, New Improved 29J Version Functions: Hours, Minutes, Seconds : Running Secs at 6.00 subdials, Chronograph : 3.00 subdial - minute counter, 9.00 subdials, hour counter 2.00 pusher - start/stop chrono, 4.00 pusher - reset Dimensions : Dia 40mm x 13.5mm Thk Material : 1 piece forged case construction, solid 316 stainless steel, Thick Black PVD Coating Back : Close case back with Pro Hunter Serial Engraving Crown : One-piece Screw down crown with o ring Crystal: - Sapphire Crystal Water-resistant 29 jewel movement? Updated? Click here to go to the product page. Obviously my questions are; 1. Has anyone heard any information regarding the reliability of this movement? While only time will tell, it would be nice to have an expert chime in on the changes which the manufacturers may have introduced. 2. How long before we see this movement in standard SS or TT models? Best wishes Corgi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 A long overdue development, but until someone is able to disassemble 1 to see what (if anything) has been 'improved', I would treat this claim as sales hyperbole like 'perfect', '1:1', 'Serviced by my watchmaker', etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Manny Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 I think one of the new movements (out of an IWC Portugese) has been sent to Francisco for a break down. Waiting to see that post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertk Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Wouldn't it be nice.......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Well since there are 11 extra gears for the moving of the subdial hands around the dial face, and each gear needs 2 jewels, adding 4 jewels leaves us with 9 gears still running on metal on metal... Wonder which 2 gears get the new jewels...2 of the 5 in the running seconds?? I won't be holding my breath on this one, but you never know...they got the seconds at 3 right, finally a good design. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 I think one of the new movements (out of an IWC Portugese) has been sent to Francisco for a break down. Waiting to see that post! Yep, mines on its way to him tomorrow, so hopefully we can get some resolve to this claim that there is a new movement. Like The Zigmeister has mentioned, they may have improved the movement by adding extra jewels, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it is reliable, there could well be many transfer gears still running on the metal plate. Improving something as dire as the old seconds at 6 movement wouldn't be difficult, making it as reliable as the standard 7750/seconds at 3 movement would be a big leap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyberetta Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Good info. Let's see what the teardown reviews tell us. Why don't they just make a clone of the Rolex gen movements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 becase it would only be able to be used in rolexes where as the 7750 can be used in sooooo many watches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 The question you want to ask is why don't they clone an ETA chrono? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I have just bought a Daytona for me. Therefore, I will be able of analyzing both movements, Portuguese and Daytona. Just be patient. Francisco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Another non development touted as NEW!!! by our collector pals. They could put 107 jewels in the modded 7750 and it will still result in a too thick watch and herky jerky seconds hands. When I read corgi's title, I said to myself, "wow! they finally did it--a dedicated seconds @ 6 movement," which BTW could be used in dozens of now impossible reps (AP, BP, VC, aside from the daytona). Now a genuionely NEW!!! movement would sure be a development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roflwaffle Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) I'm frankly confused... it says 'new updated rotor' but its the same rotor as in my old crap seconds at 6... or am i misunderstanding what they mean? or, if everyone elses rotors look different, then i have one of these 'new' secs at 6 apart on my workbench right now... purchased broken... Edited January 3, 2009 by roflwaffle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roflwaffle Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) I'm frankly confused... it says 'new updated rotor' but its the same rotor as in my old crap seconds at 6... or am i misunderstanding what they mean? or, if everyone elses rotors look different, then i have one of these 'new' secs at 6 apart on my workbench right now... purchased broken... after looking at a few of the dealers sites, it appears that if the 'updated rotor' is any indication (Ive frankly no idea if it does or not, but mine has it), then I have one of these 'new updated secs at 6' movements I can obviously take better pics of the whole thing in a takedown guide, but anyone familiar with the movement (im not familiar with the old secs at 6), does anything jump out at you? The watch was bought busted, and when the module was removed, the watch ran fine... lol... I was reassembling it before my flight home for christmas for repair... im home now but havnt touched it since theres 3 jewels on the top plate and one on the other plate... so thats 4 jewels plus the 7750 which has 25, making the 29j version as stated above is that consistent with the 'old' version? i'm not terribly impressed with it so far.. then again, it c ould be the same as the old version... as ive said, im not famliar with it Edited January 3, 2009 by roflwaffle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roflwaffle Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 So, I found Ziggs old post about secs at 6 daytona it looks like the gears are different. in his entire thread, he doesnt mention the top plate nor the jeweling, so im not sure about that so, all ive got to substantiate my claims is different gears and different rotor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 one thing i can not understnad- why not jewel each and every hole in that secs@6 module ? wouldnt that make the modded movement much much better and perhaps much more reliable ? is that such a hard work, and long research.. to put a few more jewels in the correct places to make these gears work flawlessly ? or its just that the factories too lazy to do it (or have hounderds of 'old' movement they would like to get rid of first) a second of thought. db1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roflwaffle Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 one thing i can not understnad- why not jewel each and every hole in that secs@6 module ? wouldnt that make the modded movement much much better and perhaps much more reliable ? is that such a hard work, and long research.. to put a few more jewels in the correct places to make these gears work flawlessly ? or its just that the factories too lazy to do it (or have hounderds of 'old' movement they would like to get rid of first) a second of thought. db1 no clue mate Alright... I'm out for the night. realize that I do not check RWG often, so if anyone is hankering for macro pics,etc.. .shoot me a PM, I have email notifcation turned on, so I'll get it... and I can take macro pics.. and then someone else who is better in the 'know' to make such calls can pass judgement on the movement.. If nobody cares, well, no worries, just trying to do my part.. lata kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 If the 3 wheels indicated have jewels below the caps above their arbors, then this is a step in the right direction (there should be jewels at the other end also) Here is a 2nd gen secs at 6 A7750. As you can see, the wheels are different (the 3 main wheels simply pivoted around posts coming up from the plate (without lube or jeweling at these critical points)), but I do not see anything that tells me they have corrected (with jewels) the inherent issues Here is the bare top plate from the same 2nd gen movement, which has jewels for the 3 subdial wheel pinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roflwaffle Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 If the 3 wheels indicated have jewels below the caps above their arbors, then this is a step in the right direction (there should be jewels at the other end also) Here is a 2nd gen secs at 6 A7750. As you can see, the wheels are different (the 3 main wheels simply pivoted around posts coming up from the plate (without lube or jeweling at these critical points)), but I do not see anything that tells me they have corrected (with jewels) the inherent issues Here is the bare top plate from the same 2nd gen movement, which has jewels for the 3 subdial wheel pinions nope, the three wheels you indicate do not have jewels... but the subdial wheel pinions have jewels on the top plate as per gen the only thing they did to those 3 wheels you indicated was to 'skeletonize' the gears so they are no longer solid.. they have cutouts now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakemaster Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Boy these guys will stop at nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roflwaffle Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Boy these guys will stop at nothing. An apology may be in order... it appears the rep i have is almost a year old according to previous owner.. so, theres either 3 versions of the secs at 6 (closed gears normal rotor, open gears 'updated rotor', and 'new updated rotor uknown gears') or, the dealers just neglected to say that the 'new' one has been around for ages... so please take my post for what it is... a post by someone who assumed that 'updated rotor on new version' meant 'ones with updated rotor was new one' apologies for jumping the gun... but if the 'new one' turns out to be the same as the one i posted pics of... well.. we'll all have a good laugh over it in a few weeks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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