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I refused to debate gun laws at the time of the tragic slaughter of 28 people In Connecticut last month. Most of them were children. I said that could be a discussion for another day. I won't debate this Issue today. I am a law abiding gun owner who has several guns. I strongly believe that I have the right to protect my home and the family who lives In It. I also enjoy target shooting. I suggest you watch the video and draw your own conclusion(s) Lets keep the comments civil and play nice or they will most likely lock this MF down. Right Nanuq? Mike

I wont give a big song and dance but that's 20K post for me It's amazing what you do when you're having fun. Ken

I usually try to stay out of these discussions, but consider this: If there was a ban on clips holding more than x rounds, would all the criminals throw their hands up in the air and bemoan their large capacity clips? No. If there was a law banning guns on school grounds, would that stop a psychopath from taking a gun to an elementary school? No. It's not a gun problem. Society is broken. It's full of broken people. One of the consequences is these heinous acts. Fix the broken people, and there won't be anyone left that needs to kill a classroom full of children. I think the Boy Scouts is a good place to start. Teach character, ethics, duty, responsibility, and teach them to value other people. Then watch them teach their friends. It can be contagious. There's step #1 of the Nanuq Solution.

Correction: It was CARZY sale. (sic)

After 7 years of running a sales section straight off the forum Bergies is branching out with our own website. I and my sales rep are currently uploading goods to the site and hope to go live before the end of the Month. Inevitably there will be changes in the way we operate, the biggest being that you the customer will be buying directly from the site which means most sales will be processed with no interaction with myself or Cathy. I will always remain available to answer questions, where needed, but my aim is to try and cut down on the many hours spent answering emails. Part of the reason for this switch to website is that Cathy needs to move out of Gaungzhou to look after her young family and as Cathy has been doing all the QC pic's I'm afraid this will come to an end. All items on the site have quality photo's and all goods will be hand checked before they ship, the exact same way the business ran for the first 6 years in fact. Bergies (not the name we will be using) will still put their customers concerns first and endeavour to make sure every customer has a happy experience. It is our aim to develop the site to the point of being a one stop, professional store for all your soft good requirements and as such we see this as a big step forward for both us and you the customer. Thank you Ken

I think the Boy Scouts is a good place to start. Teach character, ethics, duty, responsibility, and teach them to value other people. Then watch them teach their friends. It can be contagious. There's step #1 of the Nanuq Solution. Amen to that Bob

Must every tragic mass shooting bring out the shrill ignorance of "gun control" advocates? The key fallacy of so-called gun control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available. If gun control zealots had any respect for facts, they would have discovered this long ago, because there have been too many factual studies over the years to leave any serious doubt about gun control laws being not merely futile but counterproductive. Places and times with the strongest gun control laws have often been places and times with high murder rates. Washington, D.C., is a classic example, but just one among many. When it comes to the rate of gun ownership, that is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas. The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks. For the country as a whole, hand gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down. The few counter-examples offered by gun control zealots do not stand up under scrutiny. Perhaps their strongest talking point is that Britain has stronger gun control laws than the United States and lower murder rates. But, if you look back through history, you will find that Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries — and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun control laws than the United States. Indeed, neither country had stringent gun control for most of that time. More guns, less crime In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had enforced the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons. Neither guns nor gun control was the reason for the difference in murder rates. People were the difference. Yet many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals. In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars. The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms. In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s — after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions — there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies. Gun control zealots' choice of Britain for comparison with the United States has been wholly tendentious, not only because it ignored the history of the two countries, but also because it ignored other countries with stronger gun control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil and Mexico. All of these countries have higher murder rates than the United States. You could compare other sets of countries and get similar results. Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland. Guns are not the problem. People are the problem — including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts. There is innocent ignorance and there is invincible, dogmatic and self-righteous ignorance. Every tragic mass shooting seems to bring out examples of both among gun control advocates. - Thomas Sowell Columnist and Senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

Case and point,look at the numbers posted in Mike's video. The good people of Australia living in fear, the criminals are the only ones safer now! PS Gun sales in USA up dramatically as population fears new legislation curtailing their rights to protect their lives ,home ,loved ones,liberty and freedom. Bully for us! "(Reuters) - The number of FBI background checks required for Americans buying guns set a record in December, indicating that more people may purchase one after the Connecticut school massacre stirred interest in self-defense and prompted renewed talk of limits on firearms, according to FBI data. The FBI said it recorded 2.78 million background checks during the month, surpassing the mark set in November of 2.01 million checks - about a 39 percent rise. The latest monthly figure was up 49 percent over December 2011, when the FBI performed a then-record 1.86 million checks. Consumer demand for guns appears to have accounted for the uptick in activity. There were no changes in FBI background check procedures that would have affected the December numbers, FBI spokesman Stephen Fischer said." Link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/02/us-usa-guns-record-idUSBRE9010H020130102 Please return to the vid and see results of disarming a population. I debated hard in that last thread on this because there is a lot at stake. Politicians use your emotions in a tragic tragic event like this to take advantage of you ,don't let them.

Looking great mate! They are finally taking the next step with rollies, better bracelet, AR cyclops. Better rehout engraving, Superlume is almost standard on most models now.. We are getting there

I suspect they dont see a problem. Every time you ask for things to be changed, checked, re-photographed etc it costs money - in wages. If I were you I'd go for it, if you love it get it serviced and reg'd by a pro.

Can be done I should take some more pics of this watch. It deserves some good ones.

I can't tell you what's underneath the paint. You need to find out on your own, but it's probably not the easiest job to do.

They bought a couple of these Miyota quartz powered watches and had a company print patek on the dial. They sell for around 15 Euros..