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^^ what he said. I've got a couple that refuse to die. Their rotors are noisy as heck but they just flat work.

On another note 21Js are cheap but if you get a good one it will chug along just fine not the greatest sweep but a work horse.

Actually Ssteel answered both your questions, though rather succinctly. This will help explain what we refer to as a "21j" movement here. Our apologies, it's just vernacular. The best way to use the watch is to wind it a few turns to get it running, then simply wear it. It will auto-wind with wrist movement. Some of my watches can take 40 or 50 turns until they're fully wound. If you give this one 10 to 20, it will be more than enough to get it going and keeping time.

Looks like a Patek Philippe 324 to me.

omg let's all fight about it. 😪

yeah right, .....and you have a professional attitude insulting members like Ssteel who answered your question? Seems you are too lazy to do some searching of your own as Nanuq found that in seconds.....

are you serious???...2 post with the second one insulting a member who answered your question....if you would have bothered to do some reading before you replied in a ass way, you would have known the answers to your questions!!

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