Theyre very good as a $100 beater watch and look awesome, but are also VERY flawed. So if youre very rough on stuff reserve this watch for playtime but I wouldnt use it as a showcase piece. Even moddin it to its limit(crown crown tube eta mvmnt insert +tools needed) which would put you in or close to wm9 territory it still will have few tragic flaws. So if youre looking for something accurate and the jewel of your collection as far as Rolexs go invest in the wm9 no regrets, but if youre just looking for a cheap thrill and want the BEST value get a noob... Or get both... I did* ones for work , ones for going out, both very different model years, and one has lug holes*