Thanks Ziggy and SSurfer but this is a simple problem, some times i read these problems and just wait to here what Ziggy says and learn from that, 2 year ago the only thing i would never take apart was a watch, cars, bikes and guns yep but a watch Noooooooo way! but since reading this board i have repaired my own vintage omega, a vintage 1940s invicta bumper and built 2 complete watches, i just like to help others with what i have learned here.