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Think I may go with this one... Since it's now powered by a reliable Swiss Valjoux 23, I don't have any worries with it.

Indeed. I agree completely, yet this very reason is why I prefer to build frankensteins. I build my watches for my own enjoyment; for this reason, I take even more pride when someone asks about the watch on my wrist, and I can reply that I put it together from parts. This usually becomes a topic of discussion as most people are intrigued with the idea of building something like this. Most then end up asking 'can you build me one, too?'.

Well, the modern sapphire Daytonas are an especially difficult Rolex to rep due to their movements. 16520's have the El Primero based 4030 (which has not been duplicated to date) and the new 116520's have the proprietary in house 4130, which is kind-of-sort-of duplicated with the mod 7750, but far too thick (hence requiring an even thicker case; one give away to the rep), and is notorious for problems and mechanical failure. As is the situation, the factors above were my motivation to build my own 16520's, using genuine El Primero 400's, genuine parts (i.e. dial, case, hands, crystal, crown, etc). All said and done, I have the basic equivalent to a genuine 16520 at a fraction of the price... My opinion on the matter- When they don't offer it... build it yourself.

Personally, I think the flaws are on purpose to an extent. It's funny... We the public get a watch that we've been waiting for (maybe it's the 30th revision on a Sub), and a bunch of flaws that we've all been grinding our teeth over have been fixed; but yet, 3 or 4 other details that were perfect on the last version are now jacked. It's absolutely possible that these new Subs came from a different factory, with different cases, maybe different specifications, etc. but it just seems strange to me that the specific problems that people wanted fixed are now fixed, but yet we have new problems introduced. I like to call this the one step forward, three steps back theory The factories got you to buy the old model with some flaws, and then offer a new model with those flaws fixed xx months later. You buy the new model (but now with new flaws), and the next round, they'll fix those problems and reintroduce new (or maybe old) flaws, and people will buy that one too. If they introduced a perfect model... Well, what will they sell after that? Certainly not another Sub... Cause now everyone's already bought the 'perfect' Sub and the factories just caused their own demise to that model.

If the owner of the gen is wearing a Rolex, then I am certain that this individual is quite jaded to people calling his genuine watch a fake

Indeed- That is one thing about the white dial Daytona that I dislike; the hands blend in too much with the dial. Sometimes, I find that I have to really get a good look at the watch to tell the time. Not that it bothers me... I could look at this dial all day long, and most times I'm not concerned about the time anyways Perhaps the new white dial 116520 Daytonas are easier to read with the fat hands? I must say... The one thing that I dislike about the gloss black Rolex dials with sapphire crystals is the way the markers reflect off the crystal, and back onto the dial and so on. Makes the dial and crystal look dirty in my opinion. The white dial really cuts down on that effect. Plus, I find that white dials are very pleasing to the eye aesthetically. I'm sure you know what I mean when you look at your Broad Arrow

chief- Is the 20 minutes a static difference, or is it a growing discrepancy? If it is static at 20 minutes and has not changed (i.e. it remains at 20 minutes off), I would bet that it's a matter of where the hand was positioned when installed. If you notice that it's a changing figure (i.e. it was never a problem when you got it, but was at 20 minutes difference 2 days ago and has grown to 25 minutes difference by today for example), I'd say the hand is slipping (perhaps on the pinion).

Well, the black dial Daytona's movement is on it's way to Ziggy for an overhaul.... So, for now, that one is down, and I'm just looking at an empty case. However, once the movement is serviced with a clean bill of health, I'll probably wear both.... Maradona style ...Okay, maybe not. Indeed it will be a hard decision every morning, but I think black may get the nod. Seems to be more versatille

Same ol.... Franken-Daytona...

I'll gladly expand my knowledge on something that interests me. Oh, and since you're the hands on type who likes to make things fit... You may want to ask Oli how to remove a Royal Oak bezel and screws. He figured out how to do it in a few days vs. 9 months. Apparently there is more for the pseudo-teacher to learn lol lol lol lol lol But, I do thank you for returning my watch and refunding the cash. Merry Christmas...

I guess Joe still needs to study up a bit before he himself is a teacher... D'OH! (just kidding with u rbj) , lol thanks again my old friend .

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Now THAT'S funny!

Rolex did not make the movement; Valjoux (now ETA) did. Rolex outsourced their movements from Valjoux as they did not develop their own proprietary chronograph movement until the 4130.

Sorry- That's just a standard V72, not a genuine Rolex 727.

2nd that. EL has some of the best custom made DD's and DJ's available.

Unfortunately, the strap is a closed loop on each end; no holes in the length like a Panerai strap for tang or deployment. The only way to adjust is by moving the clasp end through the clasp holes; once those are exhausted, there's not much left in the way of options. Perhaps one option would be to change the strap with a traditional style strap, but that would mean eliminating the Daytona clasp. Maybe another idea would be to have a leathersmith shorten the strap and reloop? Finally... The last, most expensive option may be to buy a genuine strap of correct size, but the cost will outweigh the value of the watch.

Rima, 43mm... That is quite large. And, in my experience, Breits tend to wear larger than Panerai due to the case profile being thicker... But, I think this one would be considered 'hot' on a female wrist, whereas on mine, it would just look silly

I'm not much of a Breitling guy, but that Chronomat looks great. I especially like the dial with the numerals; very nice aesthetics! How's the weight? Looks like a hefty watch!

B- That's going to be one sweet Sub! Can't wait to see pics!!

Are you strictly looking for new? Or is pre-owned okay?

Well, Chris... Your's is perfect, but that's because it's a gen SEL's are one of the biggest giveaways on a watch. Not only in how they fit, but in how they look. There are very few out there that look right, and they aren't typically found on the Sub reps. The Noobmariner is the best Sub bracelet I've seen in a long time... But it's still not right. Bruce, I have a genuine 93150 with 593's sitting in with some other parts in transit to me. I picked it up for a friend, who is on the fence about using it on his watch. If he decides to pass, would you be interested?

Thanks for the kind words, gang, but I will be the first to say that mine isn't anywhere close to being perfect. It's nice for what it is... A modded rep with gen parts, but there are still some areas that need revision. Besides... You all know it's the Daytona that floats my boat... And, if I did have to pick out a Sub/SD for accuracy, this one would be my pick... All just my humble $0.02 of course...

The usual...

For all Sub dates using FF ends (i.e. up to U/A transitions), the 93150 would be correct. With the 93150, one could use 580, 585, or 593 FF's, as they are all acceptable ends with this model.

Ahhhh... And, if you have a genuine vintage Rolex, an RSC may charge upwards of $1k US, and/or may simply flat out refuse service altogether