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Early days I know but I really don't like the new layout, it dosen't seem to format correctly on-screen, the older layout was much clearer and easier to view IMHO.

Nice one FF, that's one sweet custom watch you got there. Can I ask where you get your parts from (dial, case etc)

Nice one Pugwash, one other suggestion (just a thought) would be to get some finger cots and some watch paper from cousinsuk. The cots have saved me many a time from putting finger smudges on the dial...and the paper is always useful

No....it *is* hideous!

The DRSD Reference link posted above by 'ridnwind' http://clockmaker.com.au/w/k178.html It show on open '6' on the dial....the '610m'. The MBW does not, or is it a different model?

Is the MBW supposed to have a closed '6' on the dial? The reference link posted above shows an open '6'

Stumbled across this very useful database on Miyota movements, not sure if it's been posted before... http://www.citizen.co.jp/miyota_mvt/download/index.html

That's alright then! You did the right thing, they should last for many more years to come...

Spot on IMHO. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. I've voted 'no' to them with my wallet and will buy gens over $400 reps even if it takes longer to achieve the same goal...

This is opening up old threads and opinions.......sigh! but.....sorry.....you miss the point. 'They all work fine now' Yes 'now' but only for a short time, you are running them dry. If you continue to use them you will increase wear and cause damage, possibly expensive damage. Just because they tick and seem to work and keep good time does not mean you aren't damaging them. Let me give you an example. Three of the Harrison Longitude clocks, H1, H2 & H3 Marine Chronometers are still running at the Greenwich observatory in London. They are able to do so because i) they where restored in the early 20th century and ii) because of Harrison's clever invention and use of self lubricating wood gears in critical areas. His Last watch H4 is not run...why? Because it needs constant maintenance and lubrication. It is far too precious to be treated in any other way so it is not run for fear of wear and damage.

Thanks The Zigmeister! That answers a lot of questions I see about service intervals on many watch forums! You've confirmed my suspicions...

The Zigmeister, does that still apply with the new synthetic oils like Moebius 9010/9020 or is it more applicable to natural oils?

Nice spot Pugwash, I saw him put the same watch on at the end of the Monaco GP but couldn't figure out what it was...

The pinion heights are different, you won't get the hands on. Plus because of the movement height difference the stem / case hole alignment will be out...

Archibald, I can confirm the date position is more or less correct as a 2824-2 in a lateral plane ...height ...I'm not sure.

The gold one is a DG8413 28,800 bph movement and the other a 21,600bph DG2813. They are NOT direct replacemet for each other. The movement height is different, the balance c0ck is different, the fourth wheel pinion height, centre wheel and hour wheel...all different.

Yep! At that price it 'aint a Toub. You can get a real one though if you look hard enough for about $1K. There's been some talk about these over on the WUS board: http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=60198

I'm confused, you're now 'Amplitude' ...where you banned as 'The Technician'?

The man is an arrogant c0ck The Zigmeister like so many other that pop up every now and then. He is so well connected and successful, yet he still needs to visit replica watch bulletin boards...

FFS....get lost.

yes but at a price. If the watch is anything like the noobmariner then the bezel is a PIA to get off. The risk of bending it is very high. If it's just the insert that you are interested in then do as Pug says, a lot less pain...

You *will* ruin your watch, how much do you value it? Yes you can remove the movement but you haven't a clue on how to handle it and it is not something that can be conveyed via words on an Internet forum. Again you are correct, it's not impossible to disassemble a watch, but it is a whole different matter when it comes to handling, assembly and treatment of watch parts to end up with a healthy working watch afterwards. If you are really that determined to hang yourself, why don't you go and buy a really cheap mechanical watch of Ebay for $25 or so and have a practice... And as The Zigmeister pointed out, the fact you are in a hurry says it all. There is nothing you can hurry when working on a watch.

Is that +7s with the watch Dial up? If so, place the watch in a vertical position (dial vertical) with the '12' facing down and check again, don't forget to fully wind the watch.

Good read, thanks for posting. 28800 is 8hz though!

Agreed. That's why I'm not playing the game any more. The accuracy may have improved but QC is still none existent. I'm not going to splash $450 on them, in fact over the last year my gen purchases have increased, I'd rather save and wait for a gen. than get into the expensive reps.