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The new Submariner is logical as they made these exact same changes to GMT Master II before. Same case design, same changes. I always said that GMTIIc was a serious downgrade. Exactly the same with this new Sub. Not as horrible as SD -> SSD transformation but still... they simply screwed up another classic.

I feel it's just some kind of "metrosexual thing" to call something "sexy". I never call anything "sexy" unless it has something to do with a woman. Naah... I think it's just another way to describe "cool".

Hey, welcome! Your nick tells me that you're a Breitling fan. Spend a few weeks reading and then purchase all the best ones!

So the new Explorer II rumour was just that... a rumour? I haven't seen anything about it.

Some official photos.

Direct photo links.

How come I have missed this AMAZING review. Added to the Breitling Guide. Thanks for this one... great read indeed!

You know I was just thinking the same. Will this replace the current SuperOcean line (not the Steelfish of course). Never been a big fan of it.

As stated before... those new Subs look like our old reps with those gigantic crown guards. That green is pretty terrible but then again it has nothing to do with the watch design... that color would look terrible on any watch. New "fat lugs" Rolexes leave me cold. Not that the new Sub case is ugly or anything, it's just not the same classic anymore. Just think about it guys, current Sub case has been on production since 1960 (over 40 years) with virtually zero changes. Why touch something that's perfect just for the sake of it? I don't get it.

I'm with my mate Ronin. Mine is not quite as perfect as his but this is pretty much the closest you can get.

Actually I posted this new studio shot to the wristies thread already but why not post it again. Old School SMP Chrono with genuine insert = unbeatable! How can any Omega rep ever top this I wonder...

@Sneed: Great story! And nothing beats the Pepsi thing!

Congrats man! Once again it got proven: Reps are a gateway drug to gens and this kind of forum can actually be beneficial for the luxury watch brands. PS: Do you still have the rep? Nothing beats a side-by-side comparison (wink wink).

Thanks Gentlemen! I try to add more wrist shots to my reviews from now on. After all, they are more fascinating and realistic... and always "tell" more about the watch than the fancy studio photos. How it wears, etc. I'm actually quite bored with the studio pics. When you master them, there's very little you can add to them (save new PS tricks and properties). I hope people will find this guide useful.

Glad you liked it guys. I'm actually quite excited to get the Skyland. It has more youthful appearance and design wise it's a bit like the Fish and Seawolf (I really like them both).

It's a beauty! Actually I think my cousin sports this exact same model. Very impressive finish indeed. Enjoy!

The BCE. One of the best selling Breitling replicas for sure. It's not a new replica model but because it's still a solid seller I decided to write a small buying guide for it. When the old reviews came out it wasn't such a mess that it is now. There are many versions of the BCE. Four, to be exact. I guess it's safe to say that v1 and v4 (Joshua calls it v3) are fundamentally the same base rep with same flaws (like missing subdial '12/10 tick). Looks like v2 and v3 are the same base watch as well. I've seen some nice v4's but also some with crooked and cheap looking pearls (the ring surrounding the lume dot is way too narrow). On the other hand v1/v4 have the "small '14 / '59 ticks" done accurately. Anal stuff for sure but important for us watch nerds. After I had researched this rep model a bit, I came to the conclusion that OTB v3 is very good option. Actually Joshua sells this watch as "v2 with updated datewheel". I originally thought that my example was exactly that, but after further investigating this insane BCE rep model frenzy, I (just yesterday) found out that the community actually calls it v3. Joshua's v3 isn't the "real" v3, but actually v4 (God forbid!) Anyway, the original old v2 is long gone and permanently out of production. Got confused already? I'm not surprised, I almost got confused again. Hardcore BCE guys consider original v2 dial nicer as the hour tabs had more "ivory" tone on them, and the Breitling "wings logo" was better. I also heard that there have been various QC issues regarding how the lume has been applied on v3. Luckily, the tabs on my copy were excellent and smooth. On the other hand, the biggest improvement on v3 over v2 is the perfect Breitling datewheel, which is extremely nice touch. Yodap's BCE reference table (which I actually couldn't find from RWG) is great and helped me a lot. He's apparently a smart kid who knows a lot about Breitling reps. There are some notes that I'm not sure though. It says that v2 had "superior bracelet" and "crispier dial". I haven't owned the original v2 so I can't comment the bracelet. But PT (who has sold these since the day one) swears that the bracelet hasn't changed at all. According to PT the v1/v4 come from one factory and v2/v3 from another. He refers to v1/v4 as the "cheap one". After comparing the pictures I believe v2 and v3 are the exact same watch as well (besides the rider tabs, Breitling logo and datewheel). I scratch my head over Yodap's "crispier dial" claim as well. First, the print is excellent, and second: the ticks and font look 100% identical on both watches. Maybe there isn't one answer and there might simply be variation among the reps. Just like there's variation between the new "Ultimate" Fish replicas. There's only one factory manufacturing the "best Fish", and there's still variation. New Fish reps have smoother but a bit greener and "pimplier" lume application (uncharged). But then again the dial print has remained unchanged since the day one. Either way, after treating the bracelet with truckloads of oil and metal polish it's difficult to believe that rep bracelet could be any nicer. It's heavy and became smooth as butter. Another nice thing about v3 bracelet is that it's long enough for a '8 wrist. If you have '8 wrists you need all the links but there's still some "play" left with the clasp micro adjustment. Small (max. 7'5) bracelet used to be a huge problem with some Breitling reps like Navitimer. Some watch models divide the membership but I doubt anyone can deny the fact that BCE is a beautiful watch. It's definitely a flashy model. The bezel on my example was pretty much perfect. Pearl is often the weak link on all replicas but superbly done on v2/v3. Beautiful watch. On that, we all agree. The only "love or hate" thing is the all polished Breitling bracelet. I have to admit that I'm not a huge fan of it. It's blingy and collects fingerprints like no other. I actually wish that they had repped the Blackbird, which is a model with all brushed case and bracelet. Quality wise the rep bracelet is very good (after proper treatment). SELs fit perfectly and I couldnt' find anything to complain about. CONCLUSION: If you want a graphite BCE, go for this version v3 (v2 with updated dw on some dealer sites) or try to source the initial v2 with Lello datewheel through member trades. Actually I wrote that in my Breitling Guide years ago already. Personally, the wrong DW on old v2 would bother me more than a tad greener lume on v3. The wings logo thing is pretty much meaningless, imho. It's only noticeable in huge macro shots. You can't go wrong with either. It's extremely nice replica and possesses quality feel. If you want "perfection", relume the sticks or source a gen dial. Older v2 sticks might be a tad nicer but they're far from perfect as well. Breitlings (with their lowly ETA movements) may not be horologically interesting watches, but gen Breitling dials are exceptionally well finished. If you take macro shots, the rep stuff can never compare. Personally, I would have been very happy with this but I decided that it's not a watch for me. So I "flipped" it to a good forum friend. Actually I really like it, but it's too much of a departure from my more rugged sports chronographs... I doubt it could compete for wrist time against my SMP Chrono and Aquaracer. BCE gives me pretty much the same feeling that I get from Rolex Yacht-Master: beautiful watch but... I don't know if it's a fair description but both are too much of "rich old man watches" for me. Actually I'd like to buy the original v2 for a review (just to be sure about the dial and bracelet supposed differences). So if someone in EU wants to part with his old thing, I might want to buy it, review it for the membership (and then flip it over again to another good member). But on the other hand, I want one flashy Breitling in my collection so I have also purchased a v2 Skyland. Maybe it'll grab me more? So watch out, there's another review coming!!! Thanks to Precious Time for another great transaction. God only knows how many watches I've bought from him. The watch was QC'd and perfectly functioning example. It was a pleasure as usual. WALLPAPER VERSION.

Shot a quick studio pic of my trimmed SMP Chrono. Besides gen I don't know how could it be any better than this. That's what I'm wearing.

Still the Aquaracer.

We already have a subforum for Hublot, Vacheron Constantin, JLC, Ebel, etc. etc. It's called "Other Brands". We gave Audemars Piguet its own subforum and it's very, very quiet. The problem with quiet subforums is that posts and even greatest of reviews tend to get ignored. We don't know why but that's simply a fact. Good example is "Other watch reviews". It's full of gems that no one ever reads. PS: The mentioned "Other Brands" is an amazing database. I once spent HOURS reading the threads and watching the pics. Great subforum, great posts over there... lots of interesting watches. http://www.rwgforum.com/forum/147-other-brands-area/

Congrats! Any chance of shooting some quick shots of it? I'd be curious to see it. How's the AR?

I bought v2. Asked around... a few friends... they all say v2 is the best one.

It has nothing to do with "getting called out" for me. It's about being a WIS. You really like some watch model and you want the best available model of it = you get the gen. Simple as that.

Nothing beats the Fish. I'm not a strap guy but the white version on a brown strap is extremely classy.

These are kind of shots that I was looking for. I think I already bought a Skyland.