denimhead Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Hi all, Did start a topic relating to the HE Valve on this version of the DSSD, but haven't got a defining answer. Has anyone bought one of these Cartel V5 DSSD models from either Josh or Andrew and swam in it etc. The watch is rated to 50m.I am also told that the valve on this watch works as per original, and differs from earlier versions etc. In other words it doesn't push inwards etc Many Thanks Denimhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrmindalliance Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Hi, I have the ult that's been ziggied as well (so i assume gaskets were done). No its not waterproof. Had it tested couple weeks ago. The only place it seems to be not watertight was the HE valve, so it needs the epoxy mod (there is a sticky in rlx section) Its true that the HE doesn't push in though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaifender Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Hi all, Did start a topic relating to the HE Valve on this version of the DSSD, but haven't got a defining answer. Has anyone bought one of these Cartel V5 DSSD models from either Josh or Andrew and swam in it etc. The watch is rated to 50m.I am also told that the valve on this watch works as per original, and differs from earlier versions etc. In other words it doesn't push inwards etc Many Thanks Denimhead Pretty sure that all of the V5+ versions push inwards. Even if it didn't push inward, I'd send it off to get waterproofed and pressure tested from one of the modders here before believing what they say on the dealer websites.... When it comes to water and watches, I don't mess around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thogaa Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I've used two 316F updated watches for swimming since they were launced. Passed the first one on to a friend and he too dips in the pool now and then. No problems here. I greased the seals and tightened the caseback and took the chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrmindalliance Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I should mention that mine only bubbled at 4atms, whether this is enough to swim in IRL i do not know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I should mention that mine only bubbled at 4atms, whether this is enough to swim in IRL i do not know. When you say it bubbled, was that actual leakage, or just air trapped round the HEV/case escaping? Did the watch fog up at all afterwards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Due to the complete lack of quality control in replica factories, even a watch designed to be waterproof might not be just because a gasket is left out on the workbench!! Never trust a replica watch, because QC does not exist. Always check for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Due to the complete lack of quality control in replica factories, even a watch designed to be waterproof might not be just because a gasket is left out on the workbench!! Never trust a replica watch, because QC does not exist. Always check for yourself. +1 Absolutely, it's the only way to be sure, and have confidence in getting the watch wet No point in wearing a diver's watch but having to take it off at the poolside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrmindalliance Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 When you say it bubbled, was that actual leakage, or just air trapped round the HEV/case escaping? Did the watch fog up at all afterwards? Defintely leakage but didn't fog up to my knowledge. My guy knows his stuff (don't want to out him, but you all know him VERY well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Pretty sure that all of the V5+ versions push inwards. Even if it didn't push inward, I'd send it off to get waterproofed and pressure tested from one of the modders here before believing what they say on the dealer websites.... When it comes to water and watches, I don't mess around! It is all very confusing to the newcomer, Plaifender. Of course, the Cartel has had the version 3 and the version 3 Ultimate. Eurotimez was famous for it's version 5 .... two different watches, of course. When Eurotimez vanished the Cartel changed the name of their Ultimate v3 to the Ultimate v5 .... it doesn't take a genius to wonder why. People who want a Cartel Ultimate will buy this watch, and people who want a v5 model will also accidentally buy this watch. Now all the naming is confused. Throw in the MBK DSSD (which I think is a 2010 v5) and the Noobfactory DSSD .. LOL ... lots of things to keep track of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 When you say it bubbled, was that actual leakage, or just air trapped round the HEV/case escaping? Did the watch fog up at all afterwards? When a watch leaks inside of a pressure tester, it's perfectly safe. The air is coming out of the watch, and that prevents water from coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaifender Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 When a watch leaks inside of a pressure tester, it's perfectly safe. The air is coming out of the watch, and that prevents water from coming in. not ok... put an empty can down in a bucket of water.. tilt it 45degrees.. and you'll see bubbles start to rise... take out the can and you'll notice that water is inside. simple displacement. If air is coming out.. it's because water is coming in. It doesn't work any other way. But in theory yes.. if the watch is not submerged directly in the water(i.e. in a plastic bag in the water) the watch should be perfectly safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaifender Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 It is all very confusing to the newcomer, Plaifender. Of course, the Cartel has had the version 3 and the version 3 Ultimate. Eurotimez was famous for it's version 5 .... two different watches, of course. When Eurotimez vanished the Cartel changed the name of their Ultimate v3 to the Ultimate v5 .... it doesn't take a genius to wonder why. People who want a Cartel Ultimate will buy this watch, and people who want a v5 model will also accidentally buy this watch. Now all the naming is confused. Throw in the MBK DSSD (which I think is a 2010 v5) and the Noobfactory DSSD .. LOL ... lots of things to keep track of. haha.. yes.. not to mention that the term "V6" was even being thrown into the mix a few months ago.... We DSSD owners almost have it as bad as the Submariner guys. The PAM253 is also on it's 4th or 5th version currently.. but to the factories.. they will sell whatever watch under whichever name sells more. The new V4 pams are sold as V3s since v3s have been sold as the "best version" for the last 3 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Place a watch on the hook inside of a pressure tester. Close the lid of the tester. Pressurize the tester. Now here is the important part ... if the watch leaks, it will fill with pressurized air. If it does not leak, it will not fill with anything. Lower the hook and watch now into the water of the tester. Once it is submerged, slowly release pressure from the tester via it's release valve. If the watch has a leak, the pressurized air from inside of the watch will now come streaming out, making many many bubbles.. You must draw the watch out of the water with the hook. No water has gone into the watch because it was streaming out pressurized air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaifender Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Place a watch on the hook inside of a pressure tester. Close the lid of the tester. Pressurize the tester. Now here is the important part ... if the watch leaks, it will fill with pressurized air. If it does not leak, it will not fill with anything. Lower the hook and watch now into the water of the tester. Once it is submerged, slowly release pressure from the tester via it's release valve. If the watch has a leak, the pressurized air from inside of the watch will now come streaming out, making many many bubbles.. You must draw the watch out of the water with the hook. No water has gone into the watch because it was streaming out pressurized air. ahhh.. i get the concept. I don't have a tester nor have I seen one in action.. i misread your comment as if you were saying.. that submerging a watch in water and seeing bubbles come out was ok... But i understand that if the inside of the watch is already pressurized to a pressure higher than the surrounding water.. then the bubbles coming out are being forced out and not pushed out by the water.. Thanks for that educational moment! dumbasses like me sometimes need enlightening.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Defintely leakage but didn't fog up to my knowledge. My guy knows his stuff (don't want to out him, but you all know him VERY well). Oooooh, subterfuge When a watch leaks inside of a pressure tester, it's perfectly safe. The air is coming out of the watch, and that prevents water from coming in. Ahh, that makes sense Thus far, my water-resistance testing has consisted of holding the watch under a faucet running full blast, and moving the watch so the crown, edges of the caseback and crystal etc are exposed to the full force of the water. I remember reading that a watch (with micro breaches in the chassis) is more likely to leak at low pressure like dish-washing/bathing, than they are at high pressure, as the high pressure compresses the chassis enough to seal the breaches, where at the low-pressure submersion, there is no pressure to make the compression, so the result is simply case flooding, so by extension, if it doesn't flood on low pressure immersion, it should be relatively safe for day to day bathing/swimming exposure, even if not maybe to the depth rated on the original watch To date, I've found that a watch which withstands the 'faucet test' will not flood under low pressure immersion like bathing/splashing about in a pool, although I have not had a watch pressure tested for 'full depth rating'. If I was ever to have a watch flood on a dive, I'd hope to have the cojones to follow Nanuq's example and pitch it over the side of the boat, while cursing 'Swiss Crap' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrmindalliance Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Oooooh, subterfuge Hehe, he mentioned about something unrelated to this but related to this forum, that he'd rather not let peeps know he's a certified watchsmith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Hehe, he mentioned about something unrelated to this but related to this forum, that he'd rather not let peeps know he's a certified watchsmith. Ahhh Still clear as mud, but as they say, walls have ears, and the red trout flies at midnight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig S Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 So which is the best DSSD rep to date then? lol! I have a BK Noob DSSD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Place a watch on the hook inside of a pressure tester. Close the lid of the tester. Pressurize the tester. Now here is the important part ... if the watch leaks, it will fill with pressurized air. If it does not leak, it will not fill with anything. Lower the hook and watch now into the water of the tester. Once it is submerged, slowly release pressure from the tester via it's release valve. If the watch has a leak, the pressurized air from inside of the watch will now come streaming out, making many many bubbles.. You must draw the watch out of the water with the hook. No water has gone into the watch because it was streaming out pressurized air. This is the standard for "waterproof' testing, just be darn sure you take the "bubbling" watch out of the water before you let all the pressure off. If it's still submerged when the pressure is completely released, water is going to get inside through the same opening the bubbles came out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 So which is the best DSSD rep to date then? lol! I have a BK Noob DSSD. I lean towards the Trevor MBK watch (which I suspect is the v5 2010). The cartel watch's hour markers are too fat, and noobfactory still has not fixed their curved triangle on the bezel insert. They all have something small wrong with them but I think are all good choices at this date .. a couple of years have passed now and the versions have been refined quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaifender Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I lean towards the Trevor MBK watch (which I suspect is the v5 2010). The cartel watch's hour markers are too fat, and noobfactory still has not fixed their curved triangle on the bezel insert. They all have something small wrong with them but I think are all good choices at this date .. a couple of years have passed now and the versions have been refined quite a bit. +1 pretty much anything is better than the V1 and that FUGLY V2!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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