Pam 360 DLC - First View Of My New DLC Service

[kimerathon1]

Also, what is that texture that looks weird on the edge of the bezel, is it dirty or did a gasket melt? or just me?

[Niqlndym]

Rolli, what kind of DLC is used on the Breitling Blacksteel? Is that tungsten? (That color seems to look more like the 360.)

[rolli]

for clarification:

the development of Pvd and Dlc processes are not made for watches.

it is made for high end industy standards and products and for exteme material protections.

one day panerai thought, ok, the pvd process is a good coating to give our pams a new look.

later many other watch brands are followed.

and then later it came the dlc coating and panerai were the first again.

the standard pvd / dlc processes have a standard color, and this is black.

the pvd process is a plasma metalize process in connection with a matal alloy plate in the pvd machine.

the target gets a metal coating, and the basis color is black.

a little bit influence brings the surface blasting with glass bead or with fine granulate and then glas bead blasting.

with this light refraction of the surface the color will be anthracite or more grey.

the dlc is a totally other process.

here it is used pure carbon with plasma procedure to coat the target product.

totally other machines than for the pvd process.

dlc brings a extreme high abrasion resistance and acid resistance.

high end standards and producs and especially for medical products.

also here the color is black. the suface blasting influenced here only a little bit, to a dark anthracite or dark graphite color.

some further developments have brought the result, to mix the plasma process with carbon and a small share of tungsten.

further fields of applications are possible.

the carbon plasma or carbon tungsten plasma process coating has a extreme high hardness.

also here the basis color is black.

never to forget, all the processes are made for industry products with a extreme high surface application.

not for watches.

the black color is the result of the plasma machines.

watch brands use these coatings as gimmick / trend.

also other pvd or dlc process colors are possible, but this is another theme.

color manipulations on pictures comes always from a cheap camera and a bad light conditions.

i never use artificial light or daylight lamps.

my camera shots are made outside with a canon 100mm macro lens.

but pictures are never a perfect reference for a real assessment.

the different plasma machine developments make the color.

no machine is developed for watch coatings.

many pvd and dlc companies use different plasma machines for different applications.

and some of them have also the watch coating.

only the dlc companies know whether they use pure carbon plasma process or carbon mixed with tungsten plasma process.

for the next case dlc coating i will use a company with carbon / tungsten plasma machine.

then also here we will see the color result.

i hope this little review helps to understand a bit more.

rolli

[Niqlndym]

Thanks a lot for the explanation, Rolli

I understand how the coatings can look different due to the lighting conditions in the photos. But certain watches, like the Blacksteel and the 360, clearly look like they have a lighter DLC coating in all of the pictures.

Probably the only way to make a real comparison would be to take side by side pictures under the same lighting conditions.

Looking forward to seeing your new carbon / tungsten coating, Rolli!

[tanya]

Beauty Rolli!

Handsome watch

[HauteHippie]

I thought that only applied to PVD (the cape codding) what effect does that do to the DLC application.

No. Do some research.

[projectologist]

Probably the only way to make a real comparison would be to take side by side pictures under the same lighting conditions.

Here you go... a gen 360 next to a DLC coated sterile Rad project. Same lighting for both, so the comparison is relative to the discussion. The Rad bezel looks darker because it was polished prior to coating.

[maulermacall@hotmail.com]

Put me down for one of this please.

M8tes are g8

[kimerathon1]

No. Do some research.

No, how about YOU do some research and realize that cape codding DLC will actually "darken it". No offense Chief, but I think AR is your thing!

Here is a thread just so you don't think I am just making this up!

Edited January 3, 2011 by kimerathon1

[juancodb]

Whats the status??? I will love a fully completed watch too

[capice]

No DLC for me R but I love that watch, very nice combo,compliments

[MJC]

Any update???

I just acquired a Davidsen 360 second hand though... Seems to have the updated caseback, pencil lead type pvd coating... I do notice that the hands are a little off though from the numeral colors, and wondering if I have a newer davidsen or older dial, the sausage pam logo looks a little squished..

Thoughts? I'll post up some pic's

[mastergod]

A unique watch like the 360 deserves the uniquely high quality you are a champion of !!!

mg