Monito1975 Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Tha Asian 7753 is out without the sunken date, anybody has any idea when will we see a navitimer tricompax with a correct datewheel/font? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Mike Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Given how long the A7753 has been out...I would venture to say it is not likely as one would think we would have seen it already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monito1975 Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 I hope they change their mind when the actual Navitimer stock goes dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 I have to go along with Mike...the A7753 has been out for quite some time now But In the rep world...you never know. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreww Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 been discussed many times. The A7753 does NOT have a date set function via the crown. They will only put it in watches that have a quick set button at the 10:00 position on the case. An A7753 in a Navi will leave you with no way to set the date other than advancing the time. If by chance you need to advance the date by 30 days, you would have to advance the time by 720 hours. Not really practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefcook Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Andreww, that is the BS that the rep makers tell. The gen 7753 does not have a date changing function over the crown either and so does the genuine Navitimer. To change the date on the Navitimer you actually have to advance the time over midnight! IT DOES NOT HAVE A QUICKSET DATE!!! A Navitimer with A7753 WITHOUT pusher at 10 would be perfectly accurate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monito1975 Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Just put the watch on on a swivel box the it would be running all the time so major date changes won´t be necesary, I would not mind to turn the crown to set the date as far as i don´t get the ugly sunken date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monito1975 Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 At least the rep makers should offer a more expensive version with the A7753 and correct date wheel, I´m sure it would sell like hot bread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneed12 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Andreww, that is the BS that the rep makers tell. The gen 7753 does not have a date changing function over the crown either and so does the genuine Navitimer. To change the date on the Navitimer you actually have to advance the time over midnight! IT DOES NOT HAVE A QUICKSET DATE!!! While that is true, a gen Navitimer's date can be set by running the hands back and forth (ie, over midnight, back to 8, then over midnight again). I don't know if the A7753 is capable of this. Personally, I wouldn't care--I REALLY want a 7753 Navitimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 been discussed many times. The A7753 does NOT have a date set function via the crown. They will only put it in watches that have a quick set button at the 10:00 position on the case. An A7753 in a Navi will leave you with no way to set the date other than advancing the time. If by chance you need to advance the date by 30 days, you would have to advance the time by 720 hours. Not really practical. Andreww, that is the BS that the rep makers tell. The gen 7753 does not have a date changing function over the crown either and so does the genuine Navitimer. To change the date on the Navitimer you actually have to advance the time over midnight! IT DOES NOT HAVE A QUICKSET DATE!!! A Navitimer with A7753 WITHOUT pusher at 10 would be perfectly accurate! Correct, I own a GEN Navitimer from 2008 based on the Valjoux 7753. There is NO QUICKSET date on it other than the "rock-n-roll" method sneed12 mentions. In short, you have four options even with the GEN. 1.) Use a winder 2.) If you let it stop, wait till you are close next month. 3.) Roll-Roll-Roll your crown and get a blister 4.) Rock-N-Roll your crown and minimize your blister. Why doesn't someone buy one of the new PAM reps and a Navi Rep, and swap the movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monito1975 Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Correct, I own a GEN Navitimer from 2008 based on the Valjoux 7753. There is NO QUICKSET date on it other than the "rock-n-roll" method sneed12 mentions. In short, you have four options even with the GEN. 1.) Use a winder 2.) If you let it stop, wait till you are close next month. 3.) Roll-Roll-Roll your crown and get a blister 4.) Rock-N-Roll your crown and minimize your blister. Why doesn't someone buy one of the new PAM reps and a Navi Rep, and swap the movement? Would it fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Would it fit? A 7753 is essentially a 7750 3-6-9 configuration. The Asian clones copy the 7750 dimensions, so I do not see why not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreww Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Andreww, that is the BS that the rep makers tell. The gen 7753 does not have a date changing function over the crown either and so does the genuine Navitimer. To change the date on the Navitimer you actually have to advance the time over midnight! IT DOES NOT HAVE A QUICKSET DATE!!! A Navitimer with A7753 WITHOUT pusher at 10 would be perfectly accurate! Not exactly true. While the Navi doesn't have a quick set at the crown, you are able to roll the time back and forth over midnight to advance the date. You cannot do this with and A7753. If you have ever owned a 7750 with a broken quickset you will know exactly what a hand cramping procedure setting the date can be. Sure there are a bunch of guys here that would settle for that, but the other 90% of a rep-maker's customers would not. Just too much of a pain in the ass, and they simply won't do it. And there are other reasons. The Navi rep as we know it has been on the market for over 7 years now. People that want it have got it by now. The only rush to buy would be from picky WIS guys on these forums, and that just aint enough to justify a new production run. Secondly, the latest breitling Chronologue I looked at didn't even have the 7753 Navi in it, only the Navi B01, so I'm wondering if it's even a current model anymore. They certainly aren't going to start repping "vintage" Breits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraExtra Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I asked trusty when the A7753 came out if there is possibility of making a Legende with this movement............and the answer was NO. Its one of the best Breitling rep out there but with a sunken date window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackR Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 the date window location on the current rep tri-compax dials does not align with the date window on the a7753... moreover, the a7753 date window "location" is not the same as the eta7753's "location"...the a7750 is not just an a7750 3-6-9...search the Panerai forum for a7750 movement discussion(s)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave123 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Not exactly true. While the Navi doesn't have a quick set at the crown, you are able to roll the time back and forth over midnight to advance the date. You cannot do this with and A7753. If you have ever owned a 7750 with a broken quickset you will know exactly what a hand cramping procedure setting the date can be. Sure there are a bunch of guys here that would settle for that, but the other 90% of a rep-maker's customers would not. Just too much of a pain in the ass, and they simply won't do it. And there are other reasons. The Navi rep as we know it has been on the market for over 7 years now. People that want it have got it by now. The only rush to buy would be from picky WIS guys on these forums, and that just aint enough to justify a new production run. Secondly, the latest breitling Chronologue I looked at didn't even have the 7753 Navi in it, only the Navi B01, so I'm wondering if it's even a current model anymore. They certainly aren't going to start repping "vintage" Breits. Exactly. The current,been around forever Navi rep (POS as it is), is a sales winner and there is no financial gain to play with it. As much as some of us would love to see that,we are a very small group of people who care. Been discussed a million times on these forums,not gonna happen folks,move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importr Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 ....just to flog the horse a little bit more..... You say that it's not worth the reppers making a good Navi rep...but they still went and made a PAM 250 after the previous versions were still selling. I imagine the new 250 is one of the most popular PAM chrono reps to date. The trouble is, they still can't get the little details right, due to corner cutting. We saw that in the latest Navi Fighter, what an abortion that was. Why did that watch have to have the stupid 7750, when the Carreras, Aquaracers, SMP Chronos etc have the sensible 7750? A number of little flaws make up one big-fat-obviously-fake-rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3k0 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Well, I'm no Breitling expert, but I have some experience with PAM Daylights, I have put together few of them - A7750 3-6-9, A7753 and ETA 7753. So, here are few factoids about A7753 issues: 1. A7753 and modifed 3-6-9 A7750 have different height, and consequently different crown position - so cases are unfortunately not compatible, not saying it is impossible to put A7753 in A7750 3-6-9 case, but there must be some case modding involved 2. strangely enough, A7753 CAN take A7750 date wheel, and with A7750 date wheel, dial can also be taken from A7750 3-6-9 movement - for anyone not believing this I have picture attached of A7753 with A7750 date wheel installed 3. A7753 does not have possibility of setting date by going forward-and-backward around midnight because movement "maker" decided to save probably around 0,05 US$ and used date indicator driving wheel from 7750 movement instead of producing 7753 specific one - so, with this new part produced A7753 would have this possibility (same as ETA 7753). I hope this clears some of questions posted here. regards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Well, I'm no Breitling expert, but I have some experience with PAM Daylights, I have put together few of them - A7750 3-6-9, A7753 and ETA 7753. So, here are few factoids about A7753 issues: 1. A7753 and modifed 3-6-9 A7750 have different height, and consequently different crown position - so cases are unfortunately not compatible, not saying it is impossible to put A7753 in A7750 3-6-9 case, but there must be some case modding involved 2. strangely enough, A7753 CAN take A7750 date wheel, and with A7750 date wheel, dial can also be taken from A7750 3-6-9 movement - for anyone not believing this I have picture attached of A7753 with A7750 date wheel installed 3. A7753 does not have possibility of setting date by going forward-and-backward around midnight because movement "maker" decided to save probably around 0,05 US$ and used date indicator driving wheel from 7750 movement instead of producing 7753 specific one - so, with this new part produced A7753 would have this possibility (same as ETA 7753). I hope this clears some of questions posted here. regards Some very good and helpful Information here....thank you. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importr Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Thanks z3ko, although the DateWheels are interchangeable, am I right in thinking that the A7753 DateWheel is wider on the outside than the A7750 tricompax? Can you confirm that the date window on A7753 rep is in a different location than the window on A7750 @4.5 rep? I remember seeing a comparison of the dials.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3k0 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Thanks z3ko, although the DateWheels are interchangeable, am I right in thinking that the A7753 DateWheel is wider on the outside than the A7750 tricompax? Can you confirm that the date window on A7753 rep is in a different location than the window on A7750 @4.5 rep? I remember seeing a comparison of the dials.... A7753 has quite interesting datewheel dimensions - inner diameter is same as 7750, and outer diameter is same as ETA 7753. So, A7753 can't accept ETA 7753 DW, but it can accept 7750 date wheels. And, depending on where you print numbers on A7753 date wheel (inner edge or outer edge), you can make it accommodate "old" 7750 dials (like they did on PAM Daylights) or real 1:1 copied dials from ETA 7753 watches. Actually, dials (remind you, I'm talking about PAM Daylights, I have no experience with other A7753 based watches) are not only interchangeable, but I find them to be exactly the same, for PAM 196 at least. Here is picture of dial taken from 3-6-9 A7750 PAM 196 mounted on A7753 movement with regular 7750 datewheel (one from previous picture): regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importr Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 So despite being able to get rid of the sunken date on a Navi rep, we still have the problem of the crown at a different height. Either that or a sunken dial. Come to think of it, if a gen dial isn't shaved, it can fit under the slide rule - thus possibly getting the crown & stem nearer to the tube?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave123 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 ....just to flog the horse a little bit more..... You say that it's not worth the reppers making a good Navi rep...but they still went and made a PAM 250 after the previous versions were still selling. I imagine the new 250 is one of the most popular PAM chrono reps to date. I would bet that the current,around forever POS Navi rep has outsold all Pam reps ever sold,combined. Come to think of it,that probably is true of the gen as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monito1975 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Or until they rep this beauty: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monito1975 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Here the other version i find it better than the no-lume arabic dial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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