danielv2000 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I started a couple of posts recently about 2 problems i've been having. 1. I have something lose in one of my watches. I thought it could be the rotor screw becoming undone but that's not it since the screw is now secured and no longer getting loose. When I walk, I can hear something rattling in there. I have no idea what it could be. 2. I have a slightly lopsided dial. I am not sure if the dial is warped or it's something inside. I took them to a watch smith I know. He doesn't work on reps but agreed just to have a look as a favor. He saw nothing with problem #1 but agreed that the screw is fine. With problem #2, he could not even open the case back! I had tried myself but this thing is tight like it came out of Rolex headquarters. He was so impressed with the watch build with a gen crystal, crown, tube, insert, drilled lugs and the tightness of the case back that he's convinced it's a gen! It's not, believe me. I am now out of ideas! If he can't open it, what the hell!? I know he was nervous handling the watch since I told him how much the parts were worth but he nearly broke a sweat trying. Any suggestions? That problem #1 watch is a SSD and it's one of my favorites. Is it feasible forvme to remove the crown and movement and see what's happening? I've never tried anything like that! For watch #2, I'm wondering if I could go about it the other way and remove the crystal? I've never done that either and that's a gen crystal! Maybe I could see if it is the dial that is warped. Help, please as I'm out of ideas and running low on patience! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 The rotor is rubbing on the case, maybe. Look for wear marks on the case back and the plate of the movement. Was the watch technician using a real Bergeon rolex-type caseback remover? I find it hard to believe you could be using this tool and not get the back off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Jkay,, he also might just have a dry noisy rotor! You know better than i do.. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 ...or really bad rotor bearings, if any. I have seen 21J Asian styles that sound like a loose marble bouncing around inside the case. Might just be the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Jkay,, he also might just have a dry noisy rotor! You know better than i do.. Quite right. I am surprised your watchmaker friend didnt put a daub of application-specific lubricant on the rotor bearing. Don't use just any type of grease on this part! It can run down inside the movement over time and gum up the internals, requiring a strip-down and service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrh Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Give Mike McNair a call or PM...u find him over on RWG1 in the watchmaker section....He is a nice guy and knows his stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 UPDATE! Thanks to your suggestions, I tried holding the rotor and shaking the watch. Nothing.. SO it is the rotor making all the noise. I see no marks on the case back so I don't think it's rubbing. Without the case back on, i hear the "cling-clang, cling-clang". What can I use to lubricate the sucker? As for the impossible-to-open case-back, the watchsmith used one of the jaxa-type. I have a Bergeon 5537 tool which I also tried and, trust me, this thing is tight. If I had something to place the watch on while I turn with the Bergeon 5537, that would probably help but I am using my hands only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke1973 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Did the threads on the case back get stripped? I had one rep Rolex that took an hour of hard work to finally get open, I then saw why it was so hard to open (with a rolex case back tool) it was because the threads were totally DESTROYED!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Did the threads on the case back get stripped? I had one rep Rolex that took an hour of hard work to finally get open, I then saw why it was so hard to open (with a rolex case back tool) it was because the threads were totally DESTROYED!! No, it fits perfectly in and the tool doesn't budge when I apply my Herculean strength! I wish I had a real work station where I could secure the watch head to something, then I could I use 2 hands and make this thing move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Duke73 is saying that the threads in the case were damaged on his watch. The case-back had been cross-threaded into the case. The outside of the case would look perfect in this example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I wish I had a real work station where I could secure the watch head to something, then I could I use 2 hands and make this thing move. Take it to a professional watchmaker & ask him to remove the caseback for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Take it to a professional watchmaker & ask him to remove the caseback for you. I did and couldn't. I also think he was nervous handling this watch when I explained it was made up of many gen parts. He doesn't normally handle reps or Rolex. Duke73 is saying that the threads in the case were damaged on his watch. The case-back had been cross-threaded into the case. The outside of the case would look perfect in this example. That makes more sense.BTW,what kind of lubricant should I use on the rotor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 That makes more sense.BTW,what kind of lubricant should I use on the rotor? I defer to the Master Ziggyzumba said: Well all I can add is that the ETA tech sheets all call for a small very small amount of Moebus 9010 on all rotor bearings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Moebus 9010... I assume this is not something I can pick up anywhere... Nothing on the Bay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Otto Frei http://www.ofrei.com/page246.html And they have lesser expensive Novostar, with listings of which Moebus oil it can replace. http://www.ofrei.com/page245.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacher62 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Your "slightly lopsided dial" sounds like it might be associated with the real cause of the problem. Maybe the dial ring is not seated down good or maybe one of your movement clamps is loose and the movement is not setting flat. The dial should be flat to the rehaut all the way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted January 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Your "slightly lopsided dial" sounds like it might be associated with the real cause of the problem. Maybe the dial ring is not seated down good or maybe one of your movement clamps is loose and the movement is not setting flat. The dial should be flat to the rehaut all the way around. Two different washes. The lopsided dial watch has no rotor issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted January 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 I defer to the Master Otto Frei http://www.ofrei.com/page246.html And they have lesser expensive Novostar, with listings of which Moebus oil it can replace. http://www.ofrei.com/page245.html Like i will order some. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Remember ... just a tiny bit. Too much oil in a watch is just as bad as no oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted January 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Remember ... just a tiny bit. Too much oil in a watch is just as bad as no oil I wonder if I should not just remove the rotor and bring it to a watch smith to oil? It might be faster than waiting for a shipment and less risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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