Justasgood Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Case looked to clean. No service history recorded in caseback other than from 1/12 and no date stamp. Non original bracelet and the dial and hands look to new. Bezel re-brushed and painted(badly) and the Chronometer was from 74, blank and wrong serial number. Clean 1570 inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabularasa415 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Sounds like a mashup, and not even a well-done one at that! What kind of "shop" do you have? Might explain a little about the watch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilty Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Case looked to clean. No service history recorded in caseback other than from 1/12 and no date stamp. Non original bracelet and the dial and hands look to new. Bezel re-brushed and painted(badly) and the Chronometer was from 74, blank and wrong serial number. Clean 1570 inside. I'm half in the bag and did not pay attention too much, but the first thing i looked at was the crown position. Crown will always sit a bit high. Crown position looks to be in a good position on this case. It's genuine, or the fake case makers figured it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justasgood Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I apprentice to a certified Rolex watch repairman and watchmaker at a very nice jewelry store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Give him the worth of the movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 The bezel engravings/paint look funky, especially 22 & 24. Otherwise, what I see looks ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww12345 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 The GMT hand is definitely vintage gen. All newer GMT hands such as RSC replacements are non-fade, and a brighter orange. You can see on the arm of this one that it is starting to fade. Additionally, all rep GMT hands do not have the "wider at the base, narrow at the tip" look of the hand, but are usually rectangular. I believe that the Frog foot coronet is appropriate for a straight second hand, and the text lines up properly. It is not an aftermarket dial. I think that the weird look of the 22, 24, and 2 is a result of the lighting and the sunburst of the metal. If it were an aftermarket case, I think there would be more problems than there is with it. When you think about it, you have three known gen items: Dial, hands, and movement. That alone is worth quite a bit, and I don't think it would be cobbled together in the possibly gen case for the sheer fact of trying to "pull one over." Also, about the lack of appropriate documentation, remember the key to vintage Rolex seems to be "Never say Never." Looks like a fine watch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rymeister Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I apprentice to a certified Rolex watch repairman and watchmaker at a very nice jewelry store. I wish I was an apprentice of a Rolex watch maker, do you need many qualifications to be in the watch trade? Thinking of a career change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justasgood Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Qualifications? Hmmmm, been playing with watches for 35 years. Oh, the other qualification is that I am unemployed :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superlative Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Looks legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillycheez Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky driver Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 i'll buy it....how much he lookin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justasgood Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 i'll buy it....how much he lookin? $15,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabularasa415 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Offer him $10K on the basis he has no paperwork and it's a mish-mash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 So at some point, an owner tried a do-it-yourself bezel re-brush and slapped some Testors model paint/enamel into the numbers instead of paying the RSC ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce79 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 $15k is too much. That is like high retail. When you say non original bracelet, do you mean aftermarket or just genuine but from a different time period? Considering your circumstances and the fact that you should be looking to pay wholesale, I'd say $7k-$9k is in order...and that's if everything checks out as genuine. If you're looking to flip for profit, $15k would leave you about $2k in the red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillycheez Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Offer $9k if you looking to sell it. $15k is a premium! he's asking way too much. Especially if he's trying to sell it to a jeweler. I would tell him good luck selling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabularasa415 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Agreed. I guess my $10K was a little generous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce79 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 The fact that it seems pieced together is a little worrisome. For the heck of me I never understood why people include a chronometer certificate that's for an entirely different watch. What is the point. Like the dude who is selling the Pam 27 and is including a warranty card from an 88!? WTF?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 The fact that it seems pieced together is a little worrisome. For the heck of me I never understood why people include a chronometer certificate that's for an entirely different watch. What is the point. Like the dude who is selling the Pam 27 and is including a warranty card from an 88!? WTF?? Can't get my eyes off Lilo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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