Guest TTK Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) @Pugwash.....of course they don't get it....they never do.....in almost every sense of the phrase. I visit TZ / Chronocentric / PMWF...and many others.....you NEVER see nudity on these boards......it's obviously some kind of trait that manifests itself in the sort of trailer trash that inhabit these boards..the "kheon yao"..cheap charlies who feel that they have the right to self expression via the debasement of women....seen as purely sexual objects.......no imagination at all....just as long as they can post as they want.....with no regard to others....! after 2 wasted years of psychology in college Obviously it was a waste....seems you gained nothing from the experience. what was stupid to me was the principle of surfing the net in front of children... and not ever expecting to bump into anything that might be viewed as questionably sexual. If I had kids, I probably wouldn't be on the internet in front of them period, and not just for something as sensationalized as sexuality, but that's just me. If someone is trying to live their life attempting to avoid sexuality, be it on their kid's behalf or not--so be it, to each his own--but I don't feel it's realistic it's because of your attitude that it's not realistic......nobody here is trying to avoid sexuality.....we're here to talk about watches....and off topic issues....not to gaze longingly on your entirely unsuitable avatar or signature.....your choices demonstrate your lack of imagination and ability to be creative....but that's OK....we've seen many others come and go. The fact that major magazines and TV ads show scantily clad women is not a factor.....we all have choices in those instances...we can choose not to buy or subscribe to magazines that encourage it....that's also why most of these magazines are 'top shelf' or covered....to prevent minors from seeing them....TV ads that encourage it can be 'blocked' and are usually only shown after some 'watershed'......the situation here is different...I personally don't feel that I should have to 'turn off' anyones avatar or signatures.... .there are some great members here who have wonderful avatars and signatures that I like seeing.....as well as others whose signature contains info that is essential to us all......then there are the other 'members'....'members' being the operative word. I've said it before....and I'll say it again.....collecting watches is not entirely a 'man's' hobby....there are women who frequent these boards......and there are Dad's who browse these boards...a lot of those Dad's have sons who like to share their Dad's "hobby"....I for one wouldn't like to think that I could't share my hobby with my son.....because I was going to be presented with 'nudity'...every time I opened a new topic or post. It's inappropriate for a board such as this. Edited November 7, 2006 by TTK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005SUBMARINER Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) good thread ! in a few occasions my wife passed by my pc & saw someones avatar of a naked woman & did a 2nd take she thought i was visiting rated x sites .. but i explained & everything was ok .. you make a good point ! not that theres anything wrong with nudity Edited November 7, 2006 by 2005SUBMARINER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gioarmani Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 You just don't get it. I feel sorry for you. Your pictures (avatar and sig) are of a sexual nature. If you can't understand that, you really need to just take everyone else's word for it. It's the sort of stuff that can get people in trouble at work. Not you, obviously, but other people. People you apparently have no respect for. Sorry to be the one to call you selfish as I enjoy your posts and find you a thoroughly decent chap apart from the enforced 'sexy pics'. Lol--not a problem; no need to be sorry!--everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it takes a hell of a lot more than that to offend me. I do understand the whole concept behind their sexuality and it's not at all a lack of respect for anyone but there's a much deeper issue here than a couple of pics. As someone who does manage a team of ten, I feel the real lack of respect would be in view of the employer watching his people eat up company time regardless of whether it's internet useage, excessive smoke breaks, or just a receptionist reading People magazine while her phone is ringing away. It isn't an issue of who-might-accidentally-see-what-at-work. It's an issue of wasting time at work, and I think the solution is quite simple: don't use the internet and what someone "might see" isn't a possibility anymore. The solution of switching to text instead of HTML seems effective & smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 It isn't an issue of who-might-accidentally-see-what-at-work. It's an issue of wasting time at work, and I think the solution is quite simple: don't use the internet and what someone "might see" isn't a possibility anymore. So, you're now saying the reason you have sexy photos is because you want people working instead of spodding on the boards? That's a bit of a stretch. It's a good one, but I'm not buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TTK Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 The issue isn't about using employer's resources....some employers don't frown on the activity...some do......my employer doesn't see a problem with it.....but he does see a problem with some bint flashing her gash all over the place....just because the 'member' thinks he has freedom of expression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maikel Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 I've said it before....and I'll say it again.....collecting watches is not entirely a 'man's' hobby....there are women who frequent these boards......and there are Dad's who browse these boards...a lot of those Dad's have sons who like to share their Dad's "hobby"....I for one wouldn't like to think that I could't share my hobby with my son.....because I was going to be presented with 'nudity'...every time I opened a new topic or post. It's inappropriate for a board such as this. That's a good point...I'm watching Panerai watches with my 5 month old son. Believe it or not...HE LOVES WATCHES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everythingape Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 In all fairness to why this discussion was sparked off, cibOrgman DID say he surfed the net on his spare time.. Of course some employers might not like you to surf the net at all, but I really feel that if it does not get in the way of your duties or general company productivity it's ok. My former employer at the shipyard showed up in the mess one day at our lunch break. He called for our attention and started telling us how much time is wasted in a year by people going to their break 2 minutes early and leaving the mess 2 minutes late. The numbers were enourmous! And went on to talk about the smoke breaks and so on. Knowing all this I can't see what's bad about reading a forum on your own time. I use to read the forum while at work on my spare time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 This crap again.... I complained about this some time ago, shame I had to turn off signatures and avatars on this forum. It's not a good thing when your significant other walks into your computer room seeing borderline porn animations. That's why I'm thinking RWG is really deteriorating in quality, as that kind of stuff simply isn't appropriate for a forum like this. A little class, shall we? I completely agree with Neil in every aspect he mentioned, especially his first point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 This thread...... http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=7948 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gioarmani Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Lol! Wow...such bitter hostility & anger in people! Jesus... You'd think a salesman would be smart enough to maybe be a bit more diplomatic in his approach to addressing someone, or at least a bit more calm & nicer as I have attempted to be in addressing others...every member of the board is a potential customer, after all! From your rude harshness and insulting tongue I see how easily you were offended by a simple picture. Considering the substantial sum I've spent recently with most of the dealers on all the boards, I'm not sure what to think about your remarks, but I'd bet you'd still take my money. Now that's a conundrum! (now that's retorical--no need to blast back with how you'd never take my money, or you would for spite, etc) ....it's obviously some kind of trait that manifests itself in the sort of trailer trash that inhabit these boards.. It might behoove you to keep in mind those "trailer trash", as it were, are the ones who pay your salary by buying your illegal merchandise, TTK. So if it's a question of morals or respect that leads you to slander other people, I seriously wonder what the authorities would have to say about the way you ply your trade; just a thought. Another conundrum. I also feel that someone who so strongly supports the manufacture and sale of counterfeit merchandise--that break countless international copyright, trademark, & intellectual property laws--has their moral high-ground yanked out from underneath them attempting to make such arguments. Not a threat in any way, shape, or form, but just for the sake of argument, I think people's children, friends, or families might question Federal agents busting up people's houses & offices, issuing search & seizure warrants might touch closer to the subject of what their children would or wouldn't want to see a lot more than a picture of somebody's ass. How about a picture of someone's father, brother, or best-friend on the evening news? But don't worry, I'm guilty of possessing the same myself. ...seen as purely sexual objects... I almost feel like that statement is as childishly ignorant and uneducated as those who compare the people who don't agree with their politics to the proverbial "Hitler". My girl doesn't mind being photographed and actually encourages it. She knows that the object of those prints were merely to capture the image of a nice ass, which I happen to thoroughly enjoy, and not to objectify her. I'm also sure if she were to reiterate to you the way she feels she is treated or thought of by me--or any human being for that matter, female or male--her opinion would be anything but that; I'm currently putting her through university as well, so she can better herself. We met at a fund-raising dinner for members of the Florida Holocaust Museum for Christ's sake; I worship her mind in the same way that I worship her beauty and fully encourage her to pursue any avenue she deems fit. I'm a very liberal-minded person, and by the mere definition of the word, I'm also a feminist when it comes down to the political nature of that argument. Not all material of a sexual nature is objectification. Some of it is glorification (check out www.suicidegirls.com if you haven't seen it already. I worked with one of the girls who started it; quite a nice site! It's cheap and part of their proceeds go to charitable causes) And on the subject of female objectification... The issue isn't about using employer's resources....some employers don't frown on the activity...some do......my employer doesn't see a problem with it.....but he does see a problem with some bint flashing her gash all over the place....just because the 'member' thinks he has freedom of expression! "Gash"? That's a bit harsh and ill worded...besides, where exactly do you see her "gash"? "Bint"? Would you rather just go a little further into that hypocricy (while arguing about the objectification of women) and call my girl a "[censored]"?... Obviously it was a waste....seems you gained nothing from the experience... Well, I did gain a Bachelor's degree from that experience...and an MBA...and I'm currently working on a law degree, so I'd say I'd got something out of it. Especially those two years of psychology--I think they've given me the ability to break your emotionally-charged rants down to their lowest common denominator. ...and your attitude is probably why you don't have kids... Actually, my fiancé' being on birth-control is why. That, and the fact that we don't have a need for children in this stage of our careers. That's called intelligent planning--another thing one receives from an education (besides the ability to spell properly, as you will shortly demonstarte...) j/k--I know how hard it is to spell-check, when all you want to do is reply quickly. ....your choices demonstarte your lack of imagination and ability to be creative....but that's OK....we've seen many others come and go. "Come and go" like all the other contraban dealers in the world out there? Hmmm... artist who owned his own 501c3 non-for-profit gallery & studio by the time he was 28, who used to make a living shooting fashion photography in Ft. Lauderdale & Miami...c'mon, where do you think I meet the models? Uncreative?...unimaginative?...nah... ...I personally don't feel that I should have to 'turn off' anyones avatar or signatures... I personally don't feel like I should have to turn the page, or change the channel, or read a different article, or walk out of the movie I don't like, or even turn my head in public not to see that God-awful outfit, or plug my ears when some racist is spewing hatred, but I have to. We all do. It's how we allow others to express themselves; freedom of expression and all the arguments that implies. .. .there are some great members here who have wonderful avatars and signatures that I like seeing.....as well as others whose signature contains info that is essential to us all......then there are the other 'members'....'members' being the operative word. What exactly makes a great member? Someone who doesn't lurk and contributes frequently, helps others & shares their knowledge? Posts lots of relevant pics daily & constantly makes on-topic threads like the rest of the community? Sells their wares at decent prices to other members and also helps pad the pockets of plenty of our dealers, while contributing financially to the board itself at the same time? I'd say that describes me too. A lot of members don't really go to that length, unfortunately. I've said it before....and I'll say it again.....collecting watches is not entirely a 'man's' hobby....there are women who frequent these boards......and there are Dad's who browse these boards...a lot of those Dad's have sons who like to share their Dad's "hobby"....I for one wouldn't like to think that I could't share my hobby with my son.....because I was going to be presented with 'nudity'...every time I opened a new topic or post. I whole heartedly agree. Just look at my join date in my profile--only 2 short months ago, and already I'm over 200 posts deep, building my knowledge & attempting to help others do the same (with the modicum I have) and probably $3 k lighter from watches & tools! But on the issue of children, a watch forum (or any forum for that matter) supporting & condoning illegal activity is nothing that a responsible parent should really involve their children with. A gen watch forum sure, by all means, but eventually that child will probably enquire to daddy or mommy as to why he doesn't think it's wrong to support smuggling illegal merchandise, when all his teachers and all the news channels tell him it is. There's an infinite # of arguments available on an infinite number of topics from pics to posts & opinions that anyone can take offense to, anywhere, anytime. Now God only knows how many rebuttals and replies have been thrown up since I started typing this one out, but in all honesty, I don't think anyone's pictures or posts are that big of a deal. I've stated it before and will again, I honestly intend to offend no one. But on the same token being able to express myself through a couple of simple pictures if a wonderful freedom. If I can hold my emotions back to not act in a childish manner or insult & slander a fellow member (over any issue), then other people should be able to do the same. And truly, no hard feelings at all. Thank you for your time. PS: Here's a quote from an Admin: "If you do not want to view others avatars/Sigs, click on the link at the top labled "My Controls" and find the link on the lower left that says "Board Settings". Review this page and you can cut on/off several things you find offensive...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnkay Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I certainly hope I don't offend anyone, I'm merely trying to post a pretty picture. We all post things that are nice to look at, be it women, watches, landscapes, sports, or cars--that's why this board exists. Simple aesthetics; the appreciation of a handsome watch. And the occasional nice ass. _ Are you kidding me? You are an asset to this forum. I say keep up the good work; nobody has said they were offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gioarmani Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 So, you're now saying the reason you have sexy photos is because you want people working instead of spodding on the boards? That's a bit of a stretch. It's a good one, but I'm not buying it. Well, dammit I tried! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 It always amaze me how people here think they are always right and that there should not be rules in the forum, wherever you go there will always be rules to follow and if you don’t you will thrown in jail, banned from a forum or expelled from a classroom. My post was to tell all the members that I can not read the forum on my spare time believe it or not I have spare time I am not tied to my computer from 8-5. They do not care what I do with my spare time As long as I do my job to the best of my abilities. As for the Person who call me a thief, I do not give a F nor do I know him or deal with him in any way, I am sure that our path will never cross; no one has the right to call anybody anything unless that have solid proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber_Jones Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 All I will say on this topic is that if offends some then it should be removed as this is a place for all the members to feel at home. My opinion is that there is better places on the net for porn - it does not belong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gioarmani Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Uhh...that's not porn. It's not even nude... If you censor everything that might not appeal to someone, then eventually everything gets censored. As with the small things, just accept it and move on. If not, adjust your board settings. Here it is straight from the Admin, again: "If you do not want to view others avatars/Sigs, click on the link at the top labled "My Controls" and find the link on the lower left that says "Board Settings". Review this page and you can cut on/off several things you find offensive...." You're supposed to adjust your board settings for things you don't want anyway--don't want PMs? Board Setings. Don't want email? Board Settings. Don't what people to know you're logged on? Board Settings. Don't want avatars? Board Settings. Censoring someone is not a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber_Jones Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 (edited) FYI. American Heritage Dictionary: Pornography - Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal. Edited November 8, 2006 by Cucumber_Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gioarmani Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Lol--so the Victoria Secrets catalogue is pornography! other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal low rise jeans? women's perfume? Admin's already spoken. Problem: Don't want to see avatars Solution: Board settings Ta-da! No more avatars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber_Jones Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 It is an American dictionary so it must be correct (right?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gioarmani Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Americans are always right. Ummm...no, wait a sec...damn Excelent segue CJ--I was actaully just posting this, if anyone's interested: http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=14741&hl= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 One thing's for sure. I would never send my children to this forum when I have them. I wouldn't even send my younger siblings here, I have to keep this site away from them sad to say, even though they have a lot of interest in watches like me. I really would just like a little touch of class here. This completely deteriorates my view of this forum. Am I offended? As much as I would like to say that I am not, I am because this is a watch forum, not a porn site and I really would not like baggage from other sites over here. You have to understand that a lot of us have families and children, people to be committed to, and we don't need content like that. I'm also concerned with your interpretation of "freedom of expression". With freedom of expression, comes a certain responsibility, an adherence to social contracts. In theory, would you like it if I posted racist cartoons? I could make the claim of "freedom of expression", but it's social conscience that stops me from doing it. Same thing applies to pictures of a pornographic nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 And btw, why does it seem everyone on the internet has a degree, MBA, etc. etc. etc.? A very small proportion of people in the population have them, but why do the numbers seem to jump dramatically on the interenet? Just a very casual observation, not meant to be a shot at anyone. So, gioarmani, are you a believer in the Freudian school of thought? You seem to be proving this point very well. (I took one Philosophy and Psychology course in first year university, long time ago) BTW: I have a Bachelor's of Business Administration, CA Professional Designation and an EMBA, so who am I to talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 One thing's for sure. I would never send my children to this forum when I have them. I wouldn't even send my younger siblings here, I have to keep this site away from them sad to say, even though they have a lot of interest in watches like me. After a few Goose & Crans... I should probably just shut my machine off... But... You will teach your children about illegal Trademark infringement... How to break laws... And buy & sell counterfeit products... But not let them see a little T&A? I'm going to bed... Same 1/2 dozen every time... Last month Neil taking heat over Knives... Now, same as last June/July... Avatars... Some people will ALWAYS find a reason to bitch & complain... This board represents real life... As I have said before... We have a common denominator - Watch's... But as we gather, life happens... Relationships form... And other interest emerge... RWG's foundation is Watch's... But it has grown way beyond that... I learned a long time ago on the internet to "Live and let live"... Boards & Forums develop personalities... Such as people in life... Probably because they're made up of us – folks with just the same... Participate in the things you like... And simply ignore [and move on] on the things you don't... Life's to short... TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Would you find "violent" avatars more shocking? I would think that kids would miss the humour in some of those. There was a recent one with a gun pointed at a cat and the caption "Send me my watches or the cat gets it". Would this not be seen as distressing to many kids, more-so than TwoTone's avatar (when many parents seem to dress like that in front of their kids anyhow?). It seems like this just reflects the society and where people are from... Just playing devil's advocate, now off to bed finally at 5:30am... gotta wake up in 2 hours for work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Uhh...that's not porn. It's not even nude... You need to look up some definitions. Touching another persons genitals in a sexual manner, even through underwear, is pornographic. Your avatar is either from a sequence of pornographic photographs or is a screen capture from a pornographic movie. For instance, if I posted a photo of a grinning woman with man-fat on her face with no visible penis having delivered its payload, is it pornographic? You betcha. I await your rebuttal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 And btw, why does it seem everyone on the internet has a degree, MBA, etc. etc. etc.? A very small proportion of people in the population have them, but why do the numbers seem to jump dramatically on the interenet? I don't. I have an A-level in Art and in Art History and 4 O-levels. I have no professional qualifications. The reason is that most people without degrees just keep their mouths shut for fear of ridicule or being assumed stupid. As I fear neither, I can assure you, there are a lot of unqualified people that manage to be able to afford computers, just not as many as those so qualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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