panerai Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 (edited) There's an interesting discussion at Paneristi about Elliot dealing with us. The general consensus is that we are low life scum for wearing reps/fakes. While I can understand them being defensive about Panerai. The fact of matter is that in my opinion Panerai's are incredibly expensive for what you're getting and by the sheer number of replica's available they seem pretty easy to counterfeit. Even though Panerai has been around for quite some time it really is the Richmont group who have created the Panerai phenomenon. Prior to that they basically made a small number of watches for the Italian navy. I dont think they were all that well known until Sylvester Stallone came across them in the Panerai boutique in Florence. Personally, I love the simplicity and size of a Panerai but I'll be interested to see what the resale value of Panerai is in 10 years time. NB. Really isn't advisable to get involved in this discussion over there. These guys are passionate about Paneria and there is no need to infuriate them.... but it sure is fun to watch. Edited March 25, 2006 by panerai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris5264 Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I'm over there about the same time I spend over here and it is hard to hear that I'm immoral or unethicial just because I have a few reps. However, I'm not sure this really is the consensus. My guess is that there really are a lot of serious paneristi that are pretty cool with reps but out of respect for the rules of the forum they keep this to themselves. Once you bring up the "r" word in person most don't seem to seriously object, at least that has been my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsons Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 (edited) It tickles the hell out of me that if someone owns a rep it follows that they are poverty stricken. This is great stuff: " Besides, every three TC straps is one less replica they can buy! " Perhaps we just have a darn good sense of value. Three-thousand-seven-hundred dollars plus tax and not so great customer service for a Unitas pocket watch movement, I'll pass. A Jaeger, I could understand. My wife threw her hands up when she read the thread. :cc_confused: Jet Edited March 25, 2006 by Jetsons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Tracy Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Well something is happening over at tc.. I was browsing for straps last nite and clicking on one of the many tc links under different names, I got a strange signpost blocking my browser.. saying something like.. "We have detected your ip coming to our site more than five times in 24 hours so under our adverstising scam alert we are not allowing you access, please bookmark our site for later." Which I did not do.. as a matter of fact, I simply made my order elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnkaz Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 They are quite tame compared to a similar thread on the Rolex forum. Those boys would have us horsewhipped daily. Cheers Johnkaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exper Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Quite a funny read - those 'risti boys are quite entertaining if nothing else, surprising no one has mentioned the other strap dealers on here though their straps are just as fake obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFlash Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 The Persecution of Elliot. Chapter 1 Paneristi takes Elliot down to the whipping post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealphabeta Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 (edited) They're just jelous because we got the same things for peanuts in comparison. If you can afford it, have it! If not then buy a rep that looks [censored] hot and be happy! Afterall we love the same thing they do! Edited March 25, 2006 by DaveR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbj69 Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 they r the stupidist people i know about watches, they know crap about there own watch , and they definitely dont know much about us, many people here r doctors , lawyers, businessmen and ladies, and they think we cant afford genuine, lmao we choose to not blow our money anymore on a watch u can get almost as good quality and after a few tweaks almost perfect watch , lmao what joke they r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracker Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Elliot has just figured out that We spend $400 on a great rep.. and $9,000 on our straps.. were they spend $9,000 on a gen and then don't buy a new strap. Cracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmarc Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Elliot has just figured out that We spend $400 on a great rep.. and $9,000 on our straps.. were they spend $9,000 on a gen and then don't buy a new strap. Cracker Good one Cracker! Esmarc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbj69 Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 that is probably the whole truth cracker, for sure, when i was butchered over there that was my final words to him , that i would bet more people with reps buys more straps than a guy with a genuine panerai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdivad Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 that is probably the whole truth cracker, for sure, when i was butchered over there that was my final words to him , that i would bet more people with reps buys more straps than a guy with a genuine panerai Oh the irony There was a witch hunt thread over on either VP or P or maybe even both trying to out strap dealers selling to rep owners.... Now it's coming to their illustrious leader. Just goes to show you that kharma does catch up. I received one of his infamous letters, I replied and laughed it off... Personally, I have no ill will towards Elliot, some of his products are great (albeit some not IMO), and I'll buy what I like from him. As soon as he offers discounts on gen watches, I'm there! There are plenty of strap dealers out there who have excellent products and service, most of my straps are from Drew, just got a few from Christian. That guy (Kevin aka Prof. Bain) who said that for every three straps we buy is just one rep we can't is the biggest clown over there... what a poodle turd he is! On your tricycle poodle boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzanooo Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Christ, I just read both those Forums on it. Get a Flocking life. I would`nt waste my time worring over [censored] like that! I could go on about it, but then I would be too... Like them. I have a good life, and have learned to spend my money wisely. Thats why I`m here with you fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris5264 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I think it’s important to remember that the “witch hunt” (that phrase also came to my mind) stems from just a few vocal people on VP and P. I still think there is way more overlap between these forums than actual differences and it comes down to an obsession with watches as the common factor for 95% of us. Only a small percent gets bent out of shape over the rep vs. gen difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 (edited) First off, there is an easy fix for this, guys: order straps off dealers' websites using your real name and a valid credit card and I guarantee there will be no attempt to verify your watch's authenticity. I'm pretty bored w/ the whole paneristoid schtick except to say, imagine for a minute that it is slowly dawning on you that you have been victimized by a grade B+ marketing operation, duped into paying 5 grand for a $500 watch, a watch so basic in it's design and manufacture that it can be copied by Chinese ladies in surgeons' hats accurately enough that 99.9% of the people who see it won't be able to tell if its real or fake. Not to mention the fact that said duplication so easy enough that a 99% copy powered by the same base movement (which is also being copied to a high degree of accuracy, which is not a huge deal because it was designed in the decades follwing the Civil War) can be sold for a couple hundred bucks. Probably, given that set o' facts, we all would be a little shrill when the non-duped display their watches and--Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!--they look just like the one we raided the Ameritrade account for. Re: the "rep owners are all migrant farm workers" bit: The mark's last line of defense is money: "Hey, I can afford to be a chump!" It's no skin off of our asses to let them have their tiny little undesereved superiority complexes in the peace of cyberspace--Christ, it's not like we have to actually hang out to these people-- so why don't we just let them be? Edited to fix post-cocktail(s) speclling, grammar, and punctuation. Edited March 26, 2006 by archibald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 first off, there is an easy fix for this, guys: order straps off the dealers' website, using your real name and a valid credit card and I guarantee there will be no attempt to verify your watch's authenticity. i'm pretty board w/ the whole paneristoid schtick except to say, imagine for a minute that it is slowly dawning on you that you have been victimized by a pretty sophisticated marketing organization into paying 5 grand for a $500 watch, a watch so basic in it's design and manufacture that it can be copied in china accurately closely that 99.9% of the people who see it won't be able to tell if its real or fake, and easily enough that it can be sold for a couple hundred bucks. I think, given that state of affairs we all would be a little shrill when the non-duped display their watches. tThe last line of defense is money: "Hey, I can afford to be a chump!" It's no skin off of our asses to let them have their tiny little undesereved superiority complexes in peace, so why don't we just let them be? Agree with you. I'm sure some people bought a Panerai to have an expensive watch! And of course *many* rep buyers want it to have a nice watch as well as something that looks expensive, or is perceived to be expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellomen Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 On Paneristi they claimed Elliot was active over here... anyone seen him post here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 It's also such hypocrisy to build a hommage watch (as someone over there is doing without any screams and shouts from the others) - which is essentially the same thing as our reps - a fake!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I find the rants truly entertaining. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What I learned in fairly short order from RWG is that buying a SS watch with a close to off-the-shelf movement is silly. Save your money for that solid gold or original movement watch which no one can replicate. Out of curiousity, I once did some simple calculations of what I suspect my friends here have spent on reps. You know what guys - we all could have bought anywhere from 1-3 gen panerai's this year. And on the straps, we tend to buy alot. On Elliott, I have no sympathy. He has done this to himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Out of curiousity, I once did some simple calculations of what I suspect my friends here have spent on reps. You know what guys - we all could have bought anywhere from 1-3 gen panerai's this year. And on the straps, we tend to buy alot. On Elliott, I have no sympathy. He has done this to himself. I don't want to know!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellomen Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 could someone shed some light on *what elliot did*? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracker Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 (edited) Yes Elliot is posting over at TRC. He even has his own dealer section TC Straps. What elliot did was make an error in who actually buys alot of straps. He has corrected that error but has [censored] off some watch snob's in the process. Edited March 26, 2006 by Cracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elazarus Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 It tickles the hell out of me that if someone owns a rep it follows that they are poverty stricken. This is great stuff: " Besides, every three TC straps is one less replica they can buy! " Perhaps we just have a darn good sense of value. Three-thousand-seven-hundred dollars plus tax and not so great customer service for a Unitas pocket watch movement, I'll pass. A Jaeger, I could understand. My wife threw her hands up when she read the thread. :cc_confused: Jet Mr. Tracy, Google adwords has a built in fraud alert when someone clicks more than 3 times in a few minutes...it puts up a red screen letting you know that this is a Cost per click and each time you click it costs money....so they prevent you from muliple clicks. You said you took your business elsewhere which is great, but at least you know that you had to click on the ad at least 3 times to get the rted box.....which you said you did not do.....I can give you your IP address if you do not believe me. Elliot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 could someone shed some light on *what elliot did*? From what I understand, he put down rep collectors and did not want to sell straps to any rep collector. He laso said he would forward any details (names/addresses) to Richemont or the police. It seems like he's changed his mind now, or is trying to collect more names and addresses to pass on, while making some money perhaps? And I assume Elazarus is Elliot ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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