danielv2000 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 With all the awesome vintage Daytona's popping up lately, I'm thinking of skipping all the fun and going straight to Phong for a 6239/6241. I've got my beautiful 6265 franken Phong based, with gen Sigma black dial. I've got a DW Silver dial v726 inbound with the basic gen upgrades. I have always lusted after the 6239/6241 Paul Newman white dial, red outer track. I always loved the combination of colors. I also love the non-screw down look and while I am open to the existence of the Mayer dials, it's just too much to explain if ever I was asked. This brings me to Phong. $5,500 is a lot of cash for not even a gen dial! The pros - the case : Valty and LH have recently posted impressive comparisons of the Phong vs DW. - the inner markings on the movement are quite impressive - little waiting time The cons - $$$$$$$$$$$$ five thousand five hundred times! - only the crystal, crown tube are gen I think I need to get a grip of myself! Opinions please?
cc33 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 I was in the same situation recently but after spending so much on my phong 6265 I decided to just get one from dw for a lot less. Add some gen parts, send to spin for service and vintagize (don't think that's a word) the case. The next time I spend 5500$ on a watch it'll be a vintage gen for sure. Prob Tudor..
cc33 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 This is it with gen crystal before it went out to spin...
cc33 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 He also told me I could pay 4800$ if I want to provide my own dial so I'm sure he would do that for you as well..
panerai153 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 It's a lot of cash, but it's your cash, to do with what you want. The only problem with investing that much money in a Franken, and as you said, only the crystal,crown and tube are genuine, so I don't know that this would even qualify as a franken? In my estimation it would qualify as a very, very accurate rep. The biggest consideration here, and it's something i mention in every response to folks who want to spend a pile of cash on a super rep. What do you do when at some point in time you fall out of love with one of these super expensive reps. or suddenly you need cash; lost job, illness,new house, etc. The pool of available buyers for reps like this are very very small. You will get a hundred responses to your sales ad, "Beautiful watch GLWS, Wish i had the funds GLWS" etc,etc. But, not many offers to buy. Another problem here, even if you were to break it up for parts, you only have a Crystal,crown and tube that are genuine, the movement isn't, dial isn't, the case isn't. Were me, i wouldn't but them, I'm not a big Daytona fan, so all I have is and opinion based on a a fair number of years looking at sales posts on these forums, and trying to sell watches, genuine and rep on various sales forums.
freddy333 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 Some of Phong's pre-assembled watches are indeed beautiful. However, from what I have seen, they arrive at your doorstep already in need of a proper overhaul. You can check with Ziggy on this, but I am fairly certain his experience mirrors mine. Some movements are over-oiled, others dry, some contain obviously home-made (not gen) parts, some have parts epoxied or soldered together, the list goes on. If you do decide to go that route, I would factor in the cost of a professional overhaul & get it done sooner rather than later (to avoid damage due to accelerated wear).
cc33 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 I second that, after I received my phong 6265 my watchmaker told me the movement was dry and dirty he had to tear it down and charge me 300$ for a proper service and oil..
lhooq Posted August 4, 2012 Report Posted August 4, 2012 To clarify, I only bought the 6263 mid-case from Phong--no bezel, crystal, or anything else. Big money for a hunk of steel, but far less than $5500. A lot of that amount goes into modifying the movement to be more Rolex-y, and I'm not interested in that.
danielv2000 Posted August 4, 2012 Author Report Posted August 4, 2012 Thanks for the input so far. I think I must have suffered from heat stroke! I have already gathered all the parts for 6239/6241 including v72, gen crown tube, crystal. Just missing the white Newman dial. I agree. No one will ever the inside! I Even doubt that the Rolex bridge I purchased from you, M will ever be installed! I am concerned about proper fit! I think I just saved $5,500!
red series 3 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Posted August 5, 2012 ingod44 had a fairly nice white pn dial. Freddy333 has a build based around one with a gen dial crown which I think looks like the best from what I have seen.
Laser3000 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Posted August 5, 2012 Phong`s parts are not perfect. But you can get nearly perfect parts from him if you ask him day and night. you need patience then you get fine stuff with a lot of gen parts.
janeto72 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Posted August 6, 2012 Be prepared to spend if you want accurate. My 6263/6265 daytona build will 100 % gen except for the midcase and movement.Midcase will be Phong and V72 movement. Total cost......$7850.00 USD
txrob779 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Posted August 6, 2012 I was in the same situation recently but after spending so much on my phong 6265 I decided to just get one from dw for a lot less. Add some gen parts, send to spin for service and vintagize (don't think that's a word) the case. The next time I spend 5500$ on a watch it'll be a vintage gen for sure. Prob Tudor.. I coined the word "fauxtina" works great
HauteHippie Posted August 6, 2012 Report Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) I'm of the use Phong for the midcase, other parts from elsewhere, and The Zigmeister to work his magic persuasion myself... (see today's wrist check) Edited August 6, 2012 by chieftang
danielv2000 Posted August 6, 2012 Author Report Posted August 6, 2012 Chieftang, I've said it before, that Daytona is stunning!
acbaines Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 Hello, I hope all of you are doing well. I was searching for information on a Phong 6241, and that brought me to this forum. I have contacted Phong and the price for a 6241 in 18k Gold with a leather strap, authentic cerificate and matching original serial number will be $14,000.00. At this cost the watch needs to be perfect in every way. How can I contact DW or anyone else associated with this obsession to pursue other less expensive options. I am still considering the Phong piece. Any replies would be greatly appreciated.
cc33 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 The watch won't be perfect because the dial is a rep. It is way too expensive to put a gen gold pn dial on it so it will always look like a rep dial.. His dials are good but not great and certainly not perfect. That is why people including myself have opted for his ss non pn versions because then you can upgrade the dial for gen. A gen non pn dial is in the 2000$ ballpark so it's a great option. I would NOT pay phong 14k for a gold fake newman. I would however spend 4-5k on his case set and movement, and then add a gen dial and hands afterwards. It's up to you but 14k can get you an amazing gen red sub with box papers and money left over for example why would you spend that on a rep? There is a completed ss phong daytona with many gen parts and a gen dial in the sales section, you might want to look at that as an option as its already completed and has gen parts that cost the builder more than he will make selling it..
danielv2000 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Posted January 9, 2013 Hello, I hope all of you are doing well. I was searching for information on a Phong 6241, and that brought me to this forum. I have contacted Phong and the price for a 6241 in 18k Gold with a leather strap, authentic cerificate and matching original serial number will be $14,000.00. At this cost the watch needs to be perfect in every way. How can I contact DW or anyone else associated with this obsession to pursue other less expensive options. I am still considering the Phong piece. Any replies would be greatly appreciated. As CC has said, too expensive. You could also get a Gen modern Daytona for less and buy something else.
Olivax Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 5500 usd for a phong case with almost no gen part is crazy imo! Buy a gen 5513 or 1675. In 10 years they will be worth almost twice the price and the value of your phong daytona will be close to 0. Chinese are constantly releasing new and better cases, better clone movement...
Watchmeister Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Rolex is a different animal but I still subscribe to the approach of limiting cost as much as possible without a gen dial. I am doing a long term build with a DW case set and bracelet for $300 or so (yes, I know it needs mods and will never be as good), a Phong Dial at a good price from another member and a standard V72 but I expect the all-in to be closer to $1000-$1200 and I take it for what it is - a rep (not a Franken).
danielv2000 Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Posted January 10, 2013 Rolex is a different animal but I still subscribe to the approach of limiting cost as much as possible without a gen dial. I am doing a long term build with a DW case set and bracelet for $300 or so (yes, I know it needs mods and will never be as good), a Phong Dial at a good price from another member and a standard V72 but I expect the all-in to be closer to $1000-$1200 and I take it for what it is - a rep (not a Franken). That's a great philosophy. I have an outright Franken vintage Daytona with Phong case, gen everything +V72 that I picked up from another member here and have a second "budget" DW Daytona base that only v72 + gen crown tube and crystal. I got lucky with an old school DW dial that loos great. $1,500 all in. Everytime I look at Vlydog's masterpiece in the FS section,I convince myself that I cannot have 2 of these Frankens! I'm now building a 3rd - 6239/41 this time with the savings! Going to be a little pricey as I went for a Phong dial which is the only option for an exotic dial as gen is out of reach.
automatico Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 "5500 usd for a phong case with almost no gen part is crazy imo!" A big +1. "Buy a gen 5513 or 1675." Good advice.
Watchmeister Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 "5500 usd for a phong case with almost no gen part is crazy imo!" A big +1. "Buy a gen 5513 or 1675." Good advice. So true, A gen vintage has so much more heritage than a comtemporary gen or a historical rep.
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