Paulza Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Hi Guys! Super excited. Bought this replica Rolex Deep Sea. It's a beautiful thing. Got it yesterday. Apologies for the picture quality - in need I can upload better quality pictures. The movement works fine. However with the caseback on the watch lasts for about an hour then stops. I left the case back off last night and when I woke up the watch was still ticking. Put the caseback on, hand wound it about 15 to 20 times and sure enough stopped and hour later. Took the caseback off again and it's been running no problem the whole day. I can only assume that the caseback is somehow interfering with the movement. Any ideas? As an aside can the buffs here tell me what movement this is? Thanks for your help Attached Images Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bc1221 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Might be your rotor is getting stuck on the case back. Try tightening the center screw. Better yet, take the rotor off and then reseat it to make sure it's on right. When you turn the rotor clockwise, it should make a winding sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulza Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Thanks! Will give this a try and let you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Those photos are pretty bad, but looking at the case and the caseback, where is the gasket? I think that bc1221 is probably correct, the caseback is binding on the rotor. If there isn't a gasket, it's allowing the caseback to screw down too far and hit the rotor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulza Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Agreed - pictures are terrible. Will post some better ones in the am - pretty late here and the family is asleep! There is a gasket ( will send some pics). If the rotor is stuck would that account for the watch stopping after 1 hour even if fully hand wound? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirotenshi Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) That's a 21j movement and while some lasted, some are quite problematic. Good thing is the movement is cheap if it need replacement. Sent using 1:1 Tapatalk Edited November 16, 2014 by shirotenshi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Was wondering about the gasket as well but it´s there. All points like said above plus see that the 2 screws holding the movement are holding it in place, maybe just check if they are tight. As temporary solution just screw the caseback hand-tight. Others: one of the hands could be catching and if You lay it facedown (when the caseback is open) it moves freely. Just try to leave the watch facedown (with caseback) to see if it stops or runs. Sometimes when the crown is screwed in too tight it also stops the movement (sometimes after a while). Try leaving it open or just screwed in a little as well. Good luck in sorting it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulza Posted November 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Some more pics. Watch going in today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulza Posted November 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Ok so it looks like it's not the caseback. It turns out the watch runs fine as long as I don't WEAR it?? I associated the caseback with the problem as I never wore the watch with the caseback off for obvious reasons and so it worked fine. I can only assume now that the rotor whilst moving (ie when I am wearing it) is causing the watch to run down or interfering with something else. Any ideas? Or is this better solved with a replacement 21j? I checked on parts sale section but nothing at the moment - will check ebay as well. Or is a replacement best procured from a TD? Sigh Thanks for the help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulza Posted November 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 So I checked ebay. Wow - all those 21j movements look different . Not sure which one will fit my replica?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraggle42 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 So you have wound it and left it sitting with the case back on and it stops? You are right in that if it's wound by hand, even if the rotor is sticking on the caseback it should still run for longer than a day. If it's working OK when you wear it and only runs for a short time when sitting on a table that could be many thing, from too much oil, no oil, broken jewel, misalignment. If you like the watch and want it to last a good few years the best advice is to get one of the watchsmiths here to properly service the movement. In most cases that'll get it working properly, and if there is some problem with the movement they can sort that out easily. Getting a replacement movement is not a guaranteed solution, as these Asian & Chinese movements aren't put together in clean rooms, so have dirt in them and can also arrive with no oil or too much oil, so you may well end up needing the new movement serviced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulza Posted November 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Thanks . It's the other way round. Works fine just sitting on the table. Stops after 1 hour if I wear it. :-(. How do I get hold so a watchsmith on the forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spen Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 HI that movement is a 2813 dg or nn try cousins for a new one. they cost about roughly 20 pounds then post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirotenshi Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Or replace it with a miyota 8205/8215 Sent using 1:1 Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulza Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Thanks Guys . I see the miyota 8205 has day and date, and the 8215 has just the date, I assume both will work even though my watch does not have window for the day? Also I see that the 8205 is more expensive then the 8215, I assume that is because it's a better movement ? Or is that not necessarily the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulza Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I would prefer the better movement as I really like this watch and want to keep it for awhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraggle42 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 There's a few watchsmiths in the EU, US and Aus. I don't know of any in SA. I would guess you would be in the best position to know about any customs problems you may have, and if it'd be easier to send it to EU, US or Aus? Do a new post asking if anyone knows if there are any watchsmith in your location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Were it me, I would contact the seller & ask his recommendation. Although the problem is likely simple, fixing it could be more complicated. Once you start dabbling or replacing stuff, you are effectively on your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I would prefer the better movement as I really like this watch and want to keep it for awhile Well, if so you should have got the Asian ETA one, not the "bad sweeping second hand / no spare parts" 21J. But now it's a bit late for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bc1221 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 If it were me, I'd stick a new 2813 in it and sell it. Get a better watch. You're at the bottom of the barrel. So much better reps out there. A modern rolex with a 21k movement is just wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulza Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Thanks for your comments - really appreciate it. Seller is willing to replace - so hopefully all good. Will update the mechanism per your suggestion anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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