Paris attack

[Mike on a bike]

If you like we can open back up, did not want it to go down hill...................

It is plain to see everyone's position is clear and we are not going to change each others view .  But go right ahead keep debating the nuances of what is called this and that.

 

Edited November 21, 2015 by Mike on a bike

[kevinmf]

I live in a Muslim country and must say that it's really not fair to label all of them terrorist .. Like I read somewhere in FB to blame all Muslim for terrorism is like blaming all Musician for Justin Beiber ..

But on a serious note it's easy to label a particular religion for this but trust me it's not so ...

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[Mike on a bike]

Sure no one here is Kevin, more along the lines of hitting these guys with everything we have hard till they stop or are dead, some Muslim countries are just as afraid of these killers as we are we'd being helping them also.

[kevinmf]

Mike , Mali, Paris Beriut, etc just prove the A*holes who did this don't care about religion .. Coming from Bombay, India I have seen this first hand ... I only hope that in the near future we can get rid of this plague .. Not for out benefit but for the benefit of our children and the generations after

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[surgcmdr@yahoo.com]

Kevin their is a saying g not all Muslims are terrorist but all terrorist are Muslims. The root of the problem is that the Koran endorses killing of infidels and praises this behavior. If you don't think this is true you don't know the Koran. It also says in the book that is it OK to deceive to advance Islam. Muslim must reassess their religion. The religion of Islam is faulty and not FROM God. THE non terrorist Muslim cannot be against the terrorists because it is Islam. THAT IS WHY IT'S CALL FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAND TERROR. Their book condones it. Hence conversion to non Muslim faith is the only way to stop this or extermination of Islam or discussion that Islam is faulty

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[Mike on a bike]

" discussion that Islam is faulty " that is going to go over well..................

[surgcmdr@yahoo.com]

Wrong KB not Christians but the Roman Catholic Church is responsible for more blood she'd than all the wars and terrorism combined. There has never been a ideological Evangelical Bible believing Christian terrorist. The handful of Christian terrorist were extreme pro lifers. The Roman Catholic Church is non Biblical therefore can kill and has so and will in the future. The Bible is still listed among the forbidden books hasn't changed never will. Keep those from reading g the Bible the eyes be open that the Pope is not the vicar of Christ. Islam was created by the Catholic Church

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[Mike on a bike]

Now that is going to stir the pot surgcmdr.

[436NR]

Kevin their is a saying g not all Muslims are terrorist but all terrorist are Muslims. The root of the problem is that the Koran endorses killing of infidels and praises this behavior. If you don't think this is true you don't know the Koran. It also says in the book that is it OK to deceive to advance Islam. Muslim must reassess their religion. The religion of Islam is faulty and not FROM God. THE non terrorist Muslim cannot be against the terrorists because it is Islam. THAT IS WHY IT'S CALL FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAND TERROR. Their book condones it. Hence conversion to non Muslim faith is the only way to stop this or extermination of Islam or discussion that Islam is faulty

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I am getting pretty [censored] tired of this quote.

"not all Muslims are terrorist but all terrorist are Muslims"

I think we made a pretty clear case that this quote is a big, fat, pile of smelly dog $hit!!!

I'm invoking P's Rule #1… Don't argue with ignorance or the insane.

I'm out!

Lock'er up Mike!

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[surgcmdr@yahoo.com]

Truth is truth but most can't handle it look at history 436NR uneducated or just ignorant study and decide

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They think infidels are faulty what is the truth their book or the trutb

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[kernow]

 

I am getting pretty [censored] tired of this quote.

 

"not all Muslims are terrorist but all terrorist are Muslims"

 

I think we made a pretty clear case that this quote is a big, fat, pile of smelly dog $hit!!!

 

I'm invoking P's Rule #1… Don't argue with ignorance or the insane.

 

I'm out!

 

Lock'er up Mike!

 

 

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Or don't argue with idiots; they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. 

[surgcmdr@yahoo.com]

Give evidence that it is idiocy

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Has anyone read the Koran?

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[freddy333]

I live in a Muslim country and must say that it's really not fair to label all of them terrorist .. Like I read somewhere in FB to blame all Muslim for terrorism is like blaming all Musician for Justin Beiber ..

Interesting analogy, but the fact remains that if all of these Islamic terrorist attacks since 1978 on innocent civilians had been committed by Jews or Christians, there would have been loud, unequivocal & nearly unanimous condemnations from virtually every Jew & Christian. The reason so many Jews & Christians look on Muslims with suspicion is specifically because the silence from the Islamic world in the face of ongoing & ever-more violent acts against innocent civilians is deafening. Every society has its share of evil people. The difference between the civilized & the uncivilized is how each society treats those evil people. The civilized condemn & punish them, while the uncivilized celebrate them.

(Palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11)

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… [Jake Neuman is the author of "Islam and Sharia Law Are Treason: Jihad Is Treason" and Prophet Muhammad (AKA ALLAH): (free download) at islamreform.net). His bookISLAM -- EVIL IN THE NAME OF GOD™ was banned in Malaysia.]

THE 10 MOST DIABOLICAL EVIL TEACHINGS IN ALL HUMAN HISTORY

Unlike David Letterman who starts his Top 10 List from Number 10, we will start from number 1.

Following are the 10 most evil teachings in history that surprisingly are divine teachings of Islamic God Allah. Obviously, Islam's Allah was not the God whom the pre-Islamic Arabs used to worship as their God, but was the alter-ego of Muhammad.

Every word of the Quran was Muhammad's own, which he put on the tongue of his imaginary friend Allah (AKA Muhammad). Islam is out and out fraudulent. (For detailed explanation of each teaching go toislamreform.net)

Most evil teaching # 1: Islam's paradise of evil, demented, depraved sexual perversity

Verse 9:111 – Muslim's passport to paradise

"Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph."

Islam teaches that if Muslims slay or are slain (kill or are killed) in the service of God, i.e. Jihad, they are guaranteed accession to Allah's paradise of depraved sexual perversity. Islam's Paradise is filled with whorish virgins possessing voluptuous breasts and lustrous eyes. Muslims, blessed with an access to Paradise, will have 72 such virgins to engage in incessant copulation. Furthermore, a Muslim's surest way of getting a passport to Paradise, says Allah, is to get slain while trying to kill the kafirs. The Quran is no more a holy book than Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler are holy books. Indeed, the Quran is worse in that it incites unrestrained murder of infidels.

Most evil teaching # 2: Kill the infidels wherever you find them

Quran 9:5 (the infamous verse of the sword inciting mass murder):

"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Verse 9:5 teaches Muslims to commit mass-murder. The kafirs must either convert to Islam, who would keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate (zakat), or be murdered. Command for unconditional slaying of humans, God's own creations, by other humans – when presented as a sacred teaching of the almighty Creator – becomes a most evil teaching. Needless to say, such teachings never came from God.

Most evil teaching # 3: Extortion verse:

Quran 9:29:

"Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

Here, Allah the Islamic God commands Muslims to attack and kill the so-called 'people of the book' (i.e. Jews and Christians), until they are defeated and submitted to the supremacy of Islam and, in willing humiliation, pay jizya (submission) tax to Muslims. Like verse 9:5, 9:29 is a call to mass murder and extermination. Only Hitler had openly instructed his followers to exterminate the Jews so completely. When such a teaching is presented as a teaching of the Creator of the Universe, it becomes extremely evil.

Most evil teaching # 4: Verse of barbaric cruelty

Quran 5:32-33

In order to portray Islam as a wonderful religion, Muslim taqiyah tacticians, including President Obama, will always quote the verse 5:32, which says, "We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind."

Verse 5:32 is a teaching of mass extermination and genocide. When President Barrack Obama gave his speech in Cairo, he quoted from Verse 5.32 "whosoever killeth a human being, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind."

Isn't this a wonderful teaching from a wonderful God worthy of quotation by the President? Wait a moment while I grab my handkerchief and clear the tears from my eyes. It is just such a beautiful teaching. "whosoever killeth a human being, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind." Only a true God could create such a teaching of love. Could provide such guidance for mankind. A divine, timeless teaching worthy of a divine, timeless God.

But wait a moment. The President did not quote Verse 5:32 correctly. He left out a most important part of the teaching. God has created in his infinite wisdom two exceptions to his teaching." whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind," We can killeth a human being for manslaughter and corruption in the earth and it will not be the killing of all mankind.

And what does the exception "corruption in the land" mean. All human beings who do not convert to Islam have declared war on Islam and Allah, are a danger to Allah, and therefore have created corruption in the land and must be murdered. All Apostates of Islam by rejecting Islam are creating corruption in the land. Muslim women who demand equality with men are creating corruption in the land. All Muslim girls who refuse to obey their fathers by adopting Western culture are creating corruption in the land. And on and on.

President Obama quoted Verse 5:32 in his Cairo speech as a symbol of the wonderful, wonder of Islam. The President quoted a teaching that justifies the mass murder of 305,000,000 Americans who are non-Muslim. This is a teaching of madness masquerading as a teaching of love. And how are the kafirs to be murdered for making "corruption in the land." Read the following Verse 5:33

Verse 5:33 says:

"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;"

Teachings as contained in this verse – "they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land" – are cruel and barbaric in nature. When those teachings are presented as God's, it becomes extremely evil, no better than those Hitler had committed.

Most evil teaching # 5: Allah's teaching of pedophilia

Quran 65:4:

"And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed divorce period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens) (give birth) and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him."

The most important duty of any species is the care and protection of its young. The prime duty of mankind is to raise children in a safe and caring environment, so they can progress into responsible adults. There is no worse crime than the sexual abuse and exploitation of children. But verse 65:4 clearly approves marriages and sexual copulation with pre-pubescent little girls, who haven't started menstruating yet. And Muhammad at the age of 50 duly complied with this sanction of Allah by marrying his niece Aisha, only 6 years old. This is an extremely evil teaching. Allah is a pedophile monster.

Most evil teaching # 6: Sanctioning unrestrained slavery and rape for Muhammad by his Allah

Verse 33.50 says:

"O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those [slaves] whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her – specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful".

The term "possessions of the right hand" mean slaves. It is expressly stated that Muhammad's slaves, which he attained as a share of the captives in raiding infidels communities, were actually given to him by Allah Himself. And Allah also makes raping them halal for Muhammad (and his Muslim followers).

The verse also gives a special privilege to Muhammad to marry as many wives as he desires, beyond the restriction of four wives for ordinary Muslims. When God's teachings encourage a people to wage wars to capture the women for raping as well as encourages His holy prophet to engage in unrestrained marriage for sexual gratification, there can't be a teaching as evil as this in such matters.

Most evil teaching # 7: Sanction of wife beating

Quran 4:34:

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

A Muslim woman is the property of her husband. A Muslim husband has the legal right and religious obligation to beat a wife if she disobeys him, is disloyal to him or simply does not please him. The concept of wife abuse does not exist in Islam. There is no concept of martial rape. A Muslim woman cannot refuse sex with her husband. According to Islamic law, a husband may strike his wife for any one of the following four reasons:

She does not attempt to make herself beautiful for him (i.e. "let's herself go")

She refuses to meet his sexual demands

She leaves the house without his permission or a "legitimate reason"

She neglects her religious duties

Any of these are also sufficient grounds for divorce. These are evil affronts to the idea of equality and dignity of women – very evil teachings, indeed.

Most evil teaching # 8: Allah takes a shares of plundered booty

Quran 8:41:

"And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah, - and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer, - if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing, - the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things."

This verse was revealed about how the booty captured in wars – such as after attacking and mass-slaughtering the Jews of Banu Quraiza – would be distributed. And most horribly the Islamic Allah Himself claims a share of the booty along with His prophet. God is the Creator of everything in the Universe. When that God encourages some people to attack and mass-murder others, so He Himself can take a share from the wealth captured from those murder people – no evil can get higher than this.

Most evil teaching # 9: Allah is a barbarian

Quran 24:2 says:

"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, -- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."

This verse says that Muslims must not have mercy on people, who commit adultery or fornication, and punish them brutally with 100 lashes in public. However, since other verses in the Quran specifically allow men to have sex slaves, the horrible crime of serial rape against a non-Muslim woman is not considered adultery or fornication and would not be punished as the woman would be considered God-given concubine.

What kind of person could flog a woman 100 times for having sex with the man she loves? On the other hand, Islamic God, evil as He is, allows men to force sex upon their unwilling wives (verse 4:34). Undoubtedly the God of Islam is out and out barbaric to sanction evil teachings such as these.

Most evil teaching # 10: Teachings of torture, enslavement, beheading cruelty, eye-for-eye …..

There is a gigantic tie for the tenth most evil teaching. There are 3,990 teachings of the Quran that are equally evil. All these teachings are immoral depravity. Not being words/teachings of Moral Perfection - the Quran is not Moral Perfection and therefore not from God, therefore Allah is not God but the AntiGod and Muhammad is no prophet. Following is a very small sample of further Quranic depravity.

TORTURE

Quran 22:19-22: "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" "for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods"

SLAVERY

Quran 2.178: "O you who believe! retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain, the free for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female, but if any remission is made to any one by his (aggrieved) brother, then prosecution (for the bloodwit) should be made according to usage, and payment should be made to him in a good manner; this is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy; so whoever exceeds the limit after this he shall have a painful chastisement."

You kill one of my slaves, females or free man and I'll kill one of your slaves, females or free man.

BARBARIC CRUELTY

Quran 5:38: "Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done-a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise." 39 "But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful."

EYE FOR EYE

Quran 5:45: "And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed such as wrong-doers."

BEHEADING

Quran 8.12: "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

There are 75 teachings of beheading in Quran.

SLAUGHTERING

Quran-8:67: "It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise." (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.)

I read and write Arabic

Argue with the Koran

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So who is the idiot those who can read the Koran or those who side with pre canned liberal stupidity

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[freddy333]

Gentlemen - you are free to express your views, but not to use foul language or to attack specific people. That is over the edge.

While I believe there is more than 1,000 years of factual evidence to support the premise that Islam is a violent religion (or cult, as some historians have suggested), to suggest that all Muslims are violent or ignorant is itself ignorant & unenlightened. But 1 cannot ignore the fact that nearly all of the military-style attacks against innocent, unarmed civilians since the late 70s were committed by Muslims. Not Christians, not Jews, not Norwegians, not South Koreans & not Texans. The perpetrators are nearly always Muslims & their 'jihad' is always against the 'Great Satans' - Jews, Israel, the United States & other western societies. You can rationalize or feel whatever you want, but that does not change the facts.

[Mike on a bike]

Smelt it coming Freddy wanted to lock this before we got to this .

(As you may have guessed we are simpatico on this issue but I am impartial in my role here.)

[Nanuq]

Well said, Freddy and Mike.

"Gentlemen - you are free to express your views, but not to use foul language or to attack specific people. That is over the edge."

We're all on thin ice here so everyone keep it civil. Let me refer everyone to Forum Rule #6

[6] - Any discussions regarding politics and/or religion in any way will be closed or deleted unless determined to be pertinent by admins/mods.

[kernow]

Who wants a beer? 

[Mike on a bike]

ME!

[Nanuq]

"A" beer? Sign me up for a 6-pack. It's been a long week.

[kernow]

Seems I was wrong thinking that religion is the cause of the worlds problems.

As a great man once said......

 

See, beer can unite the world!

 

[436NR]

I've already invoked my own rule. So I'm good!

Beers all around!

So??? I'm still waiting for an answer… who makes the best sub???

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[Ayr]

Didn't read the thread but will make my position.

 

There's been a lot of 'solidarity' memes going around. Posting pictures of French flags, French peace signs etc. People jumping on this type of sentiment and spreading it. This isn't solidarity. This is defiance, and the worst form of it. It's tribal. Few of us in the west act like this when terrorists attack parts of the middle east, which happens almost weekly.

 

To me it's unbearably shallow and an easy way to absolve yourself of a duty to make the world a better place. Why try to do what's necessary when you can copy and paste a French flag to your avatar.

 

If people truly cared. Truly. They would go out and make another Muslim friend. Take their next holiday in a Muslim country. I don't want to hear about solidarity unless it's with all types of people all over the world all the time. 

 

We have to act against our baser instinct. When terrorists attack, we don't escalate. We take in more refugees, we show more love to Muslims, we give more aid. That way we make the world a better place. We certainly don't keep bombing Muslims in their own countries. How many innocent Muslims have we bombed in the past decade? Doesn't bear thinking about. 

[Mike on a bike]

" Didn't read the thread but will make my position."   you should.

   It is the height of hubris to not at least listen to others positions before posting, I guess we can only be tolerant to what you think we should.

[Ayr]

" Didn't read the thread but will make my position."   you should.

   It is the height of hubris to not at least listen to others positions before posting, I guess we can only be tolerant to what you think we should.

Been an avid follower of politics, I would be very surprised if there was a single opinion expressed that I haven't heard before. 

 

Happy to be proven wrong, was there any particular POV expressed in the thread that was novel, profound or groundbreaking?