Rolex 5513, nearly off the bench....

[rolojack]

A few issues to sort out and it's on its way to a happy owner... Cartel based, 2846, Vietnam dial with a nice brown hue, Clarks plexi, Athaya crown. The rational parts bucket.

Enjoy the pics, Rolojack

[edgematic1]

Great work man... beautiful.

[jackflash]

Very nice! But with that dial shouldn't those CGs be pointed?

[rolojack]

Yes, but my client wished it to be a round CG.... 

[jackflash]

... Well, it looks great. I'm sure your client will appreciate the hard work.

[philwongnz]

Great build, but just wondering is it me or the rehault looks a bit too deep?

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[rolojack]

it's just that this crystal has little distortion... These specs are Gen like.

[jackflash]

it's just that this crystal has little distortion... These specs are Gen like.

Yeap, the Clark T19 does that to the rehaut. CWP T19 is better, but pricier.

[newswire]

Did you polish the bezel? Looks better than the stock cartel bezel.


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[highoeyazmuhudee]

very cool

[woof*]

Nice work! 

[Blindpirat]

Great!!!


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[RickFlorida]

Curious.....did you replace the bezel assembly or use the cartel?

 

 

[rolojack]

I think it's the cartel. It wasn't sent to me directly from the dealer so I can't be sure... Only the owner can confirm...

[RickFlorida]

5 hours ago, rolojack said:

I think it's the cartel. It wasn't sent to me directly from the dealer so I can't be sure... Only the owner can confirm...

Well we will know if the insert falls off from being wet a few times.    I love the cartel 5513 but I'm frustrated they have perfect case neck size but then the bezel itself itself is out of spec so the insert is glued instead of pressure fit.     So you end up having to buy an entire bezel assembly even though the case neck is correct.... 

 

[rolojack]

This insert is pressure fit and no where near moving... So it might no be a cartel bezel.

[newswire]

The scallops on cartels bezels are too short and too deep. My gens are longer almost the entire length of the top of the bezel and not as deep (height wise). Like the ones on this watch.


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[RickFlorida]

Excellent.   How did you fix the "stainless steel " misspelling?   It looks to be lightly etched like cartel but there is no misspelling.

 

Great build!   Do you accept clients from across the pond?

[rolojack]

That's the cartel engravings on the new ones... Clients are welcome but I'm booked till december....

[automatico]

rolojack...that is one fine looking watch!

"I love the cartel 5513 but I'm frustrated they have perfect case neck size but then the bezel itself is out of spec so the insert is glued instead of pressure fit.  So you end up having to buy an entire bezel assembly even though the case neck is correct...."

IF  the case neck is oem spec 28.2mm and IF  you need a new bezel assembly...here is what I found (usually)  works:  GS PA 462-66 crystal and ST/Clark etc bezel kit IF  the ID of the inner bezel is 30.2mm.  The 28.2mm case neck and 30.2mm inner bezel will not crack the crystal when pressing it on because it is not a real tight fit on the crystal while at the same time the crystal will not pop off or leak in day to day service (although I have not tested one below about 5 atm/70 psi).  GS crystals are precision made and always the same spec unlike much of the inconsistent junk scattered all over the internet.  The PA 462-66 is a domed crystal that has the sidewall coming straight up about 1.7 to 2.0mm above the bezel insert.  You also have to make sure the bezel washer does not cause the rotating bezel to bind.  The washer needs to fit over the small lip on the inner bezel (if there is  one, it is there to keep the sharp washer away from the crystal) while not sticking out over the outer edge of the inner bezel or it will bind the rotating bezel.  Many (if not most) aftmkt bezel washers are out of spec in my experience.

I have tried this same setup with a GS PA 462-67 crystal and the inner bezel was too tight.  Also measured a couple MBK inner bezels and they were both 30.15mm id...not much difference but they can be pretty tight with the GS PA 462-66 crystal.  Matter of fact, I broke a new PA 462-66 with a MBK inner bezel on an MBK case a few days ago.  It leaked and I had to look down through the outer edge of the crystal with a 10x loupe under bright light to see the hairline cracks.  I found that ST/Clark rotating bezels will accept oem spec inserts and they snap in correctly...many aftmkt inserts and insert seats in bezels are out of spec.

[newswire]

Rolojack, any recommendation for aftermarket case backs that will fit a cartel that's more gen spec thinness? I find the cartel to be almost 3mm too thick.


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[Bart Cordell]

rolojack...that is one fine looking watch!

"I love the cartel 5513 but I'm frustrated they have perfect case neck size but then the bezel itself is out of spec so the insert is glued instead of pressure fit.  So you end up having to buy an entire bezel assembly even though the case neck is correct...."

IF  the case neck is oem spec 28.2mm and IF  you need a new bezel assembly...here is what I found (usually)  works:  GS PA 462-66 crystal and ST/Clark etc bezel kit IF  the ID of the inner bezel is 30.2mm.  The 28.2mm case neck and 30.2mm inner bezel will not crack the crystal when pressing it on because it is not a real tight fit on the crystal while at the same time the crystal will not pop off or leak in day to day service (although I have not tested one below about 5 atm/70 psi).  GS crystals are precision made and always the same spec unlike much of the inconsistent junk scattered all over the internet.  The PA 462-66 is a domed crystal that has the sidewall coming straight up about 1.7 to 2.0mm above the bezel insert.  You also have to make sure the bezel washer does not cause the rotating bezel to bind.  The washer needs to fit over the small lip on the inner bezel (if there is  one, it is there to keep the sharp washer away from the crystal) while not sticking out over the outer edge of the inner bezel or it will bind the rotating bezel.  Many (if not most) aftmkt bezel washers are out of spec in my experience.

I have tried this same setup with a GS PA 462-67 crystal and the inner bezel was too tight.  Also measured a couple MBK inner bezels and they were both 30.15mm id...not much difference but they can be pretty tight with the GS PA 462-66 crystal.  Matter of fact, I broke a new PA 462-66 with a MBK inner bezel on an MBK case a few days ago.  It leaked and I had to look down through the outer edge of the crystal with a 10x loupe under bright light to see the hairline cracks.  I found that ST/Clark rotating bezels will accept oem spec inserts and they snap in correctly...many aftmkt inserts and insert seats in bezels are out of spec.

It's very interesting. I project to replace my Clark 25-19 with a GS from ofrei on my Cartel. But as I shaved my retaining ring, I need a new bezel assembly. Any suggestions where I could buy one ? I saw the 149$ WSO, is it accurate and the good size for Cartel ? Can't find Clarks bezel assembly.

[automatico]

They list for $89.95 and I have an order almost ready to go so if you want one I can include it in the order but can not guarantee it will make it to France...but it probably will.  Any discount I get on the parts will come off the actual shipping cost.  These bezels are matte finished and need to be polished but it is very easy to do.  They have the GS PA 462-66 crystals too...about $10 each.  No guarantee it will all fit together on your watch though.

WSO parts are sometimes hit or miss as far as proper fit is concerned.

 

 

[Bart Cordell]

@automatico pm

[RickFlorida]

On 10/7/2016 at 0:24 AM, automatico said:

rolojack...that is one fine looking watch!

"I love the cartel 5513 but I'm frustrated they have perfect case neck size but then the bezel itself is out of spec so the insert is glued instead of pressure fit.  So you end up having to buy an entire bezel assembly even though the case neck is correct...."

IF  the case neck is oem spec 28.2mm and IF  you need a new bezel assembly...here is what I found (usually)  works:  GS PA 462-66 crystal and ST/Clark etc bezel kit IF  the ID of the inner bezel is 30.2mm.  The 28.2mm case neck and 30.2mm inner bezel will not crack the crystal when pressing it on because it is not a real tight fit on the crystal while at the same time the crystal will not pop off or leak in day to day service (although I have not tested one below about 5 atm/70 psi).  GS crystals are precision made and always the same spec unlike much of the inconsistent junk scattered all over the internet.  The PA 462-66 is a domed crystal that has the sidewall coming straight up about 1.7 to 2.0mm above the bezel insert.  You also have to make sure the bezel washer does not cause the rotating bezel to bind.  The washer needs to fit over the small lip on the inner bezel (if there is  one, it is there to keep the sharp washer away from the crystal) while not sticking out over the outer edge of the inner bezel or it will bind the rotating bezel.  Many (if not most) aftmkt bezel washers are out of spec in my experience.

I have tried this same setup with a GS PA 462-67 crystal and the inner bezel was too tight.  Also measured a couple MBK inner bezels and they were both 30.15mm id...not much difference but they can be pretty tight with the GS PA 462-66 crystal.  Matter of fact, I broke a new PA 462-66 with a MBK inner bezel on an MBK case a few days ago.  It leaked and I had to look down through the outer edge of the crystal with a 10x loupe under bright light to see the hairline cracks.  I found that ST/Clark rotating bezels will accept oem spec inserts and they snap in correctly...many aftmkt inserts and insert seats in bezels are out of spec.

Wow, thanks for sharing.  I need to settle a proper build with my newer Cartel so this will help.  What is ST?  I know Clark bezels are on eBay but what/where is ST?

Edited October 8, 2016 by RickFlorida