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Rep 16200 case is the ultimate workhorse case

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Over the past 4years that I have been active in the rep community, I have come across only a few inexpensive rep cases I would consider “workhorses”. Cases like Silix Big crown and Cartel 5513/1680 might be mentioned in this category but even them 2 cases are far from correct. Silix case doesn’t take any gen part while the Cartel 5513 only takes gen dial & crystal without modding.

 

Why do I think this rep 16200 case is the ultimate workhorse?

 

 

1. It’s accepts all the Gen parts you would need to make a Franken DJ like Crystal, dial, bezel & Crown without any mods...straight plug & play

 

2. It’s quite versatile. I have used it to build numerous franken DJs & Explorer 14270s.

 

3. It’s quite inexpensive. You can get a complete case set as cheap as $40.

 

4. If not for this case, we wouldn’t have a JMB 1016 Explorer V1 or V2. I have actually built a rare 1018 OP using a JMB v1 case. @JMB pls bring back the V1 cases.

 

5. Even though the only Gen part that wouldn’t fit without mods is the case back. The rep case back actually fits gen 16200 case.

 

But with all the Pros there are sure some cons.

 

- I noticed that the 2824 versions sometimes have a wider dial rehaut which causes dial alignment issue or might cut of railroad tracks & “Swiss” @ 6digits. “T Swiss T dials arent period correct for 16200 anyways so avoid using them. Keep those Dials for your 160xx builds

 

- The lugs are a little bit to robust for majority of the Datejust I build which are with tritium Dials. This “con” is pretty easy fix though. It can be done with a mid-level dremmel multipurpose hand tool like this

 

 

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Here are pics of the stock(sterile) case, before and after the reshaping.

 

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A little metal of the top & side of lugs

 

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I replaced the case tube, brushed & polished.

 

Compare the results

 

Stock rep case(left), reshaped rep case(middle) & Gen case (right)

 

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And here a complete franken 16233 w/ the reshaped rep case.

 

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What do you guys think?

 

 

 

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Stone, I travel. I know you have taken some incoming over the last few months and I saw the gentlemanly and open way you responded. A credit to you,  I still hold the faith brother.
 
JMB V1, My Christmas wish



I appreciate the words of encouragement my Bro!


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I remember the $hit-storm somebody tried stirring up on RWI and Stone was very gracious and transparent - I would've taught everybody a few new words.  I've collaborated with Stone on numerous projects over the past several years and I always enjoy seeing his creations.  His honesty and attention to detail is beyond reproach.

 

If folks want a V1 case (let the record show I was not the one who came up with these rev numbers!) I did save back 5 of the 2824 cases for this type of thing but I'll warn you that StoneP has put dibs on two of them...

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On 11/22/2017 at 11:42 PM, StoneP said:

Compare the results

 

Stock rep case(left), reshaped rep case(middle) & Gen case (right)

 

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What do you guys think?

 

 

 

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@StoneP,

thank you for sharing.

interesting considerations on the case, and on its versatility - useful as well.

if these are the cases from which the v2 explorers come from, my hat is off!

Your work is remarkable as well, but the picture above doesn’t do you justice...

on a first glance left and right cases both look gen... ;)

best,

M.

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Hi,  Sorry to revive an old thread but I'm curious about this case.  Does anyone know where I could get one?  I have a Gen 14270 ( dial, hands, crown and movement )  but no case to put it n.  I currently have it in a Alpha explorer case but the dial and movement do not fit correctly.  I saw one on ebay with riyi for an eta2836, is that the same case being referred to?  Hopefully someone can help me.  Thank you in advance.

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Hi,  Sorry to revive an old thread but I'm curious about this case.  Does anyone know where I could get one?  I have a Gen 14270 ( dial, hands, crown and movement )  but no case to put it n.  I currently have it in a Alpha explorer case but the dial and movement do not fit correctly.  I saw one on ebay with riyi for an eta2836, is that the same case being referred to?  Hopefully someone can help me.  Thank you in advance.



Hey fellow explorer/DJ lover,

Your most practical option would be to use a gen 16233 case for your 14270 but that wasn’t your question.

Yes a rep 16200 2824 case from Riyi/raffles/JMB/MMM case can take a 3135 movement. But the case would need to be modded from inside and also the crown tube repositioned.

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44 minutes ago, asartadi said:

Thank you guys for the replies, I have a 3000 movement.  Would you know if that would fit or would the case need modding as well?

Stem height matches up but your have to use movement tabs.

 

Personally, I'd use a genuine 162xx datejust case and it would be all plug and play.

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1 hour ago, StoneP said:



Did 14270 even come with. 3000? I know of 14060 & 14000.

You might wanna try a gen 16000 case.

It sure did. 3130 was when it transitioned into the 114270 36mm model with no lug holes and sels.

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I'm currently scouting for a 162xx center case, anyone know what fair market price would be on one?  

I have bought a few for around 300ish with caseback and midcase around 5 years ago. Only ones I have seen recently seem to go for closer to 500-600 now.


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They are between $300-$500 on the average.

But back to your application with the cal. 3000. My assumption was that 3035/3055/3075 were based on the 3000. If that’s the case, are we even sure a ref 162xx case can house your movement?


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"My assumption was that 3035/3055/3075 were based on the 3000.  If that’s the case, are we even sure a ref 162xx case can house your movement?"

 

The 3035/55/75 came first (around 1977) and were high grade chronometer movements from day one.  The cal 3000 is a cheapo rendition of a 3035 with a flat hairspring and no date but when they were used in the explorer they ran them through the COSC test. 

Imho they were trying to move up$cale (28.8k/sapphire) by going downscale (stripped down cheapo movement). 

 

For anyone who has not read the 14270 Explorer Exposure:

 

http://www.timezone.com/2002/09/16/the-rolex-explorer-ref-14270-part-1/

 

http://www.timezone.com/2002/09/16/the-rolex-explorer-ref-14270-part-2/

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23 minutes ago, automatico said:

"My assumption was that 3035/3055/3075 were based on the 3000.  If that’s the case, are we even sure a ref 162xx case can house your movement?"

 

The 3035/55/75 came first (around 1977) and were high grade chronometer movements from day one.  The cal 3000 is a cheapo rendition of a 3035 with a flat hairspring and no date but when they were used in the explorer they ran them through the COSC test. 

Imho they were trying to move up$cale (28.8k/sapphire) by going downscale (stripped down cheapo movement). 

 

For anyone who has not read the 14270 Explorer Exposure:

 

http://www.timezone.com/2002/09/16/the-rolex-explorer-ref-14270-part-1/

 

http://www.timezone.com/2002/09/16/the-rolex-explorer-ref-14270-part-2/

Haha on behalf of my movement..."ouch" : )

7 hours ago, StoneP said:

They are between $300-$500 on the average.

But back to your application with the cal. 3000. My assumption was that 3035/3055/3075 were based on the 3000. If that’s the case, are we even sure a ref 162xx case can house your movement?


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13 hours ago, AKTime said:


I have bought a few for around 300ish with caseback and midcase around 5 years ago. Only ones I have seen recently seem to go for closer to 500-600 now.


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Thanks guys.  I now have an idea what to offer should one come up.  The reason I was looking for that was because I tried searching online and it seems that the 14270 shared the same case as the 162xx.  I'm not sure though if this was always the case.

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