Guest Sql_pl Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Our great HBBs are now discussed at TZ. Hublot's CEO is already aware of their existence... here's what he wrote: "thanks God it will still take time till they can copy a full ceramic Big Bang, or a Gold, Platinum or Tantalum one! It's a crime and we will organize from tomorrow on a strategy with the Swiss Watch Federation and our specialised lawyers." Wonder if that Watch Federation and "specialised lawyers" will be of any help against our Big Bangs for smaller Bucks Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodaddynukka Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 if rolex hasn't been able to stop us, im sure hublot won't be able to do much more. we can't be stopped! MUWAHAHAHAHAAAHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammalone Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Way to go BentleyFan, you should go ahead and tell them the name of this site and all of our dealers while you're at it; Captain Protype! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 They do mention that the rep is significantly lighter. Anyone ever compare? Since the CEO himself is on the forum, I am so tempted to ask what precisely about your watch makes you feel that it is worth 1000 times the cost of actually making the watch. It is the major reason I am disgusted with the gen marketplace. I have a gen chronograph, made in Switzerland, that contains a nice Valjoux 7750. I paid $400 and it is very nice; exceptionally well made and keeps perfect time. Mr. Bivalve can take the same movement, shove it into a different case no better than the one on my $400 watch, and slap a $8000 sticker on it. I just never figured this out with mass produced watches. I guess you charge what some fool is willing to give you. I obviously delude myself by thinking that there should be some reasonable correspondence between the price it costs to make something and the actual list price. /Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craytonic Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 They do mention that the rep is significantly lighter. Anyone ever compare? Since the CEO himself is on the forum, I am so tempted to ask what precisely about your watch makes you feel that it is worth 1000 times the cost of actually making the watch. It is the major reason I am disgusted with the gen marketplace. I have a gen chronograph, made in Switzerland, that contains a nice Valjoux 7750. I paid $400 and it is very nice; exceptionally well made and keeps perfect time. Mr. Bivalve can take the same movement, shove it into a different case no better than the one on my $400 watch, and slap a $8000 sticker on it. I just never figured this out with mass produced watches. I guess you charge what some fool is willing to give you. I obviously delude myself by thinking that there should be some reasonable correspondence between the price it costs to make something and the actual list price. /Tim For some reason I always loose that argument when my girlfriend metions the word "chanel purse" or "Jimmy Choo shoes." These two items are my worst enemy, followed by some dude named "Marc Jacobs" who I swear she is cheating on me with as much as she talks about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Our great HBBs are now discussed at TZ. Hublot's CEO is already aware of their existence... here's what he wrote: "thanks God it will still take time till they can copy a full ceramic Big Bang, or a Gold, Platinum or Tantalum one! It's a crime and we will organize from tomorrow on a strategy with the Swiss Watch Federation and our specialised lawyers." This is what I've been saying all along. These people who take their high end reps to AD... and publicly inform people at TZ about them... it's bound to hurt our hobby eventually. I see a lot of posts like that nowadays... "I showed my watch to the AD and he couldn't tell, etc. blah blah". I think every newbie who comes here and brags about this... or posts his reps to gen watch forums should be IP banned instantly. It's UTTERLY PATHETIC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt.watch.obsessive Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Took several hours for someone to suggest using an in-house movement. Drr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadweller4000 Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 This is what I've been saying all along. These people who take their high end reps to AD... and publicly inform people at TZ about them... it's bound to hurt our hobby eventually. I see a lot of posts like that nowadays... "I showed my watch to the AD and he couldn't tell, etc. blah blah". I think every newbie who comes here and brags about this... or posts his reps to gen watch forums should be IP banned instantly. It's UTTERLY PATHETIC. Good point. I don't see the reason of walking into an AD shop - and uhm dunno why. Show off??? (Whith a replica in front of someone who deals with the real things every day?) Ridiculous. I just want to mention that there are always two sides. Making certain high-end replicas public from time to time could help to prevent frauds! Do you know what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 But I am more focused on my side. Still being able to buy a high end rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_tgg Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 I said sometiem ago, that the reps boards are in real danger. With all the stupits making apology of reps in the gen forums, going to ADs and so on.. @Tim: your argument is for my understanding wrong: a luxus watch is a luxus, so they can charge what ever they want. It is not bread or water or eneergy. It is a luxus, so what is the thing with "I obviously delude myself by thinking that there should be some reasonable correspondence between the price it costs to make something and the actual list price." There is no reasonable correspondance in luxus items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trustywatchguy Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Dear ALL Genuines are expensive because of the following: Price of a Genuine Hublot Ceramic Big Bang is USD7700 after discount in Asia. See the breakdown below: Movement: Automatic Hublot Caliber 44 (Base La Joux - Perret - 28,800bph) - Approx. USD500-600 Cost of Materials: Ceramic & Solid SS, Sapphire Glass and Synthetic Resin - Approx. USD1000 **Mind you, the Ceramic is expensive** Cost of the Design Work done: USD1000 (Estimated amount per watch after division) Cost of advertisement: USD3500 (Approximate advertisement value per watch) PROFIT on each watch: USD1700 per watch Where does most of the money go? The MARKETING of course.. Models to model the watch, Magazine advertising, TZ ads...etc Ask yourself this simple question... without the advertisements all around, you think the Big Bang will be so popular.. This is what happen in Asia for ROLEX. Their ads are all over the place. ROLEX is the king brand in ASIA. It has become a status symbol here in Asia.. you have a Rolex.. wow! you must be somebody.. LOL.. Cheers nice weekend to all Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_uk Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 I guess Hublot also keeps the price up by supplying only limited authorised dealers, like a cartel kinda thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 (edited) I love it when a luxury goods CEO acts surprised about the existence of reps. How'd these guys get to be CEO's of luxury watch companies? They don't understand that their business model relies on huge investments in brand ID and small investments in craftsmanship and materials? [censored]. That bald guy knows full well that his markup stems from ads in Town and Country and boat race sponsorships --not his workmanship, materials, and and actual innovation. If he really is surprised that the Chinese can make 95% copies of his products and sell them for 1/15 the price, his shareholders ought to be very nervous. Wonder how the Chinese bureaucrats are treating their lawyers these days. The good news for luxury goods companies is that there will always be people rich enough or stupid enough to just walk into a store and buy a gen, and the rest of us who would gladly pay $250 for a big bang, spend our "genuine watch" money on watches made by companies serious about craftsmanship, movement manufacture, and relative value. JLC is my fav, but there are many others. Hublot isn't one of them. None of this changes the fact that posting reps on on gen boards or walking into Ad's with reps on means you are chump. Edited March 31, 2007 by archibald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWP Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 @ Tor well said. Total agreement. Our hobby suffers as the expense of these as&^&les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 I guess Hublot also keeps the price up by supplying only limited authorised dealers, like a cartel kinda thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfreeman420 Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Where does most of the money go? The MARKETING of course.. Models to model the watch, Magazine advertising, TZ ads...etc Marketing is about 50%of the price of everything we buy. Not to mention research and development and design. These companies spend millions before the first watch is even sold. It's the same thing with dvd's and video games. A blank disc is 50 cents. Why spend $50 on mortal kombat? I used to import espresso machines from Italy. My cost was $390. My price was $3,000. My marketing budget was $250,000 per month. This is a fact of life and there is no way around it I believe the gen manufacturers have every right to charge what they do for their watches. Most are super high quality pieces with fine attention to detail. I however refuse to pay those prices because the second hand market is alot cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockey Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Is this dude Bentleyfan a member here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elprimerozen Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 We have to be more carefull overhere......But its very funny that they are so scared......he he he! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubus Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 (edited) I quess Maciek that more or less of TZ posters cant find any differences between your rep and their gens. Thats a good thing. HBB is a great rep then, so acurate, not to fool people but to leave all nerves about unexisting flaws behind and I REALLY think that all those gen owners should finally understand that our reps are higer quality than they think they are Edited March 31, 2007 by pubus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermanx Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 I quess Maciek that more or less of TZ posters cant find any differences between your rep and their gens. Thats a good thing. HBB is a great rep then, so acurate, not to fool people but to leave all nerves about unexisting flaws behind and I REALLY think that all those gen owners should finally understand that our reps are higer quality than they think they are This just goes to show how good our reps are. Some people collect reps some gens, that whole thread started because some guy got ripped off and spent thousands on a replica that "his" friend told him was real and thats not right. The guy who originally posted the rep a few days ago thought it was real and it wasn't until people here pm'ed him did he contact hublot and they told him his watch was fake which spurred Mike Margolis to post pictures from one of the three forums, so someont here told him where to come or he's a secret member. I would bet there many members here on timezone. Its the assholes that sell the reps as gens that [censored] up everything for the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 all my reps including the HBB is at the police station,so no watches for me until they give them backor maybe they will trash them they even think my breit steelfish is org after it has been looked on by expert on watches dont ask why,shitt happens in life Bad boys bad boys what you gone do when they come for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellomen Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Movement: Automatic Hublot Caliber 44 (Base La Joux - Perret - 28,800bph) - Approx. USD500-600 Cost of Materials: Ceramic & Solid SS, Sapphire Glass and Synthetic Resin - Approx. USD1000 **Mind you, the Ceramic is expensive** Cost of the Design Work done: USD1000 (Estimated amount per watch after division) Cost of advertisement: USD3500 (Approximate advertisement value per watch) PROFIT on each watch: USD1700 per watch Where does most of the money go? The MARKETING of course.. Models to model the watch, Magazine advertising, TZ ads...etc Hi Andrew... with all respect but this list is BS Normally there's a 30% profit for the importer, 30% profit for the Authorised Dealer, in Europe almost all countries charge around 20% taxes, than you have the expensive transport (special secured value transport). I hardly believe the ceremic is $1000,- per watch, i can't believe design is $1000,- per watch. Of the $8000,- minus profit of importer, AD and taxes there remains a watch that Hublot will get around $3000,- for !!! Of that amount they design the watch, the concept etc... and make all the commercials & advertisement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellomen Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 They do mention that the rep is significantly lighter. Anyone ever compare? Since the CEO himself is on the forum, I am so tempted to ask what precisely about your watch makes you feel that it is worth 1000 times the cost of actually making the watch. It is the major reason I am disgusted with the gen marketplace. I have a gen chronograph, made in Switzerland, that contains a nice Valjoux 7750. I paid $400 and it is very nice; exceptionally well made and keeps perfect time. Mr. Bivalve can take the same movement, shove it into a different case no better than the one on my $400 watch, and slap a $8000 sticker on it. I just never figured this out with mass produced watches. I guess you charge what some fool is willing to give you. I obviously delude myself by thinking that there should be some reasonable correspondence between the price it costs to make something and the actual list price. /Tim Hi Tim, you are soooo right! The watchindustry is made extra expensive by two major things... an expensive dealer network and the choice of market segment. Say if a brand has the same in house movement for decades and decades, the same design diver & chrono watches.... let's name that brand Rollie. Do you really think it's the cost that makes this watch this expensive? No! It's choice!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkatbamna Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 I've been reading the Hublot forum for quite a while. They've always had plans for an in house chrono movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_uk Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 They're talking about us again, seems we have a lurker... http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg...0&rid=54676 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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