PAMman Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 PLEASE, PLEASE get the engraving correct first, with the markers and numbers further in from the edge of the dial and the correct shape 6 & 9. Then make the logo with the correct finer / thinner lines and I'll be happy to buy them at that stage without any lume. Kostas is right, they should have very little lume power because the tritium has aged at this stage. I would rather paint the markers with ordinary paint than have superlume on the 5218/201A dial, but PLEASE GET THE ENGRAVING SORTED FIRST BEFORE THIS PROJECT GOES ANY FURTHER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye_lin Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 This looks just like one of DSN's older dials with the thicker indices.... BUT what do I know?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber_Jones Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 This looks just like one of DSN's older dials with the thicker indices.... BUT what do I know?? I thought you knew more then that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Chief Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 (edited) I made 1:1 overlap image.. Dial numbers be leaning to outside, logo too big, 3 is perfect but 6 & 9 be different.. Edited December 12, 2007 by Master Chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 1:1 overlap image.. Dial numbers be leaning to inside, logo too big, 3 is perfect but 6 & 9 be different.. Cheers Chief....you can clearly see the correction work required from this over-lay...no arguments......I guess the rest is up to mr D... FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmg Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Great job Chief, thanks for illustrating that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 I think you have all forgotten or misread what David said in one of his post: READ AGAIN: Pls bear in mind that I am trying to make a very close rep only. Making a 1 to 1 gen copy of this model is impossible for me . Rep is only a rep. Whoever understood.. understood... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 READ AGAIN: Pls bear in mind that I am trying to make a very close rep only. Making a 1 to 1 gen copy of this model is impossible for me . Rep is only a rep. Whoever understood.. understood... Good point well made ...IMHO the new dial IS a step forward and significant achievement by Davidsen....credit is rightfully due .... If Mr D decides to take the right comments on board then the finished product (be that V1, V2 or V7) will be all the better I'm sure ......some of the changes required do seem minor , but I lack full experience to speak knowledgably on these aspects of production. For me , I can see it improving my existing replica greatly and I'm up for it and will support this project ...if only to see it progress to V2,V3 etc....... I have patience for V., 5, 6 and 7 also... FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK08 Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Put me down for V355 when all the kinks are ironed out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I think you have all forgotten or misread what David said in one of his post: READ AGAIN: Pls bear in mind that I am trying to make a very close rep only. Making a 1 to 1 gen copy of this model is impossible for me . Rep is only a rep. Whoever understood.. understood... Point taken.........BUT if it is possible to engrave the markers on the dial at all, it is equally possible to position them correctly. We are only asking that enough care is taken to ensure that someone else won't have to do it all over again. I accept that reproducing the shape of the 6 & 9 may be tricky but PLEASE TRY. It seems to me that, with the exception of dropping the aged printing which was originally proposed, there has been no attempt to respond to the any of the helpful feedback and assistance which Davidsen has been offered. Surely that was the original intention of involving the forum at an early stage or am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Chief Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I like this forum and also like DSN, I've been wating for 201a, when I saw this thread I'm so excited! I just hope that DSN (another dealers) make the better watch step by step, not try to blame him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwind Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Can't wait for these to be available. Have been researching a while for a Marine Diver Pan homage/rep and found info on DSN on another forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellomen Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Mmmmm curious whether the correct 6, 9 and logo will come on the dial... if so... i will finally get this watch as i have been waiting for the ultimate correct one since years and there was always something wrong. It would be great if we finally had a rep that was correct out of the box all the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 in camera technology is generally known, that 35mm has the 1:1 ratio of the real object. that means eveything on this picture is in real size. and as a template you can enlarge the picture with photoshop. but if you make a shot very near to the object or with macro, then you'll get a fish-eye effect. that means the object ratio is totally displaced. i think to get a correct dial size is only possible direct from a gen 201A with a 35mm camera shot. assumed you have this possibility, then you can use this 1:1 picture as a template for a cnc-machine. or the engraver makes a picture-print and can use it for an engraving stencil. i think that's the simplest way. i hope davidsen is flexible in his work. it's very easy to say rep is rep, but today we have all possibilities for the technical realization to make a very good result. rolli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 in camera technology is generally known, that 35mm has the 1:1 ratio of the real object. that means eveything on this picture is in real size. and as a template you can enlarge the picture with photoshop. but if you make a shot very near to the object or with macro, then you'll get a fish-eye effect. that means the object ratio is totally displaced. i think to get a correct dial size is only possible direct from a gen 201A with a 35mm camera shot. assumed you have this possibility, then you can use this 1:1 picture as a template for a cnc-machine. or the engraver makes a picture-print and can use it for an engraving stencil. i think that's the simplest way. i hope davidsen is flexible in his work. it's very easy to say rep is rep, but today we have all possibilities for the technical realization to make a very good result. rolli I was wondering about the problem w/ the 6 and the 9 so I showed Enzo's artwrok to a friend who does CNC for a living (no worries guys, if he would do rep projects I'd already have all possible upgrades for sale) His guess is that if davidsen's is using CNC shop for this project they don't have the proper tooling to do the tight corners, which he said would require a mid-project tool swap on most lower end CNC engraving machines. Seems like we'd be better off donating a CNC machine tool, than artwork. Which actually I would be happy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 in camera technology is generally known, that 35mm has the 1:1 ratio of the real object. that means eveything on this picture is in real size. and as a template you can enlarge the picture with photoshop. but if you make a shot very near to the object or with macro, then you'll get a fish-eye effect. that means the object ratio is totally displaced. i think to get a correct dial size is only possible direct from a gen 201A with a 35mm camera shot. assumed you have this possibility, then you can use this 1:1 picture as a template for a cnc-machine. or the engraver makes a picture-print and can use it for an engraving stencil. i think that's the simplest way. i hope davidsen is flexible in his work. it's very easy to say rep is rep, but today we have all possibilities for the technical realization to make a very good result. rolli I have a genuine preA dial which is the same engraving as the preV dials (check out the Maurits Bollen article on Paneristi: hxxp://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html). It is now built into a watch but I took a 1:1 scan of it on a flatbed scanner so that could provide the perfect template for the base dial engraving. It may be that we will have to do this ourselves as Davidsen seems to be ignoring all contributions. Lello has indicated that his printer can carry out the printing end and he (Lello) has certainly proved that he is able to produce accurate datewheels, so the printing end should be covered. If we could get the engraving outsourced to a CNC outfit then the project should be within reach. The logo itself is the same as the genuine 195 or 'long arrow' 005 and I can help out there as well with a macro shot of the logo. The correct font is clearly pictured in the 'Risti article and can be 'cut & pasted' into our dial so with a macro shot of the logo we can complete the artwork in Photoshop. Can we make this a 2008 RWG project?? I am fully willing to assist in any possible way to create the ulimate rep dial if we could get our act together on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsenjpn Posted January 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 2nd batch of 201a and 202a dial been made. Index diameter been remade to smaller now so that the index distance is further apart from the edge of the watch. But printer made a miskste on the 201a dial logo above the 6.I will make admenetment soon. Index lume been filled up manually.I think i still need more practise on tis. Hope you can see differnce between the first and the 2nd batch. I have made some simialr cnc engarve dial on the 203a and 218a pre A dials too. Hope you like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylan Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Experts...want to chime in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bong Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Wrong font for a 201a dial !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Chief Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 (edited) Wow, DSN.. I think it looks better than 1st prototype. I made 1:1 comparison images this time too... I wish this is a little bit be a help to making Perfect PAM!! DSN 2nd dial and Gen overlap image 12 is looks perfect... 3 is perfect too!! 9 is little bit different.. but I think It's good. 6 is need to be adjustment... Edited January 3, 2008 by Master Chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Looks much improved David....great work again IMHO just the 6 needs to be a bit "fatter" and "squarer" edges on the inside on the lower loop.....then these are ready!!! Best regards FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ari Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 (edited) Looks much improved David....great work again IMHO just the 6 needs to be a bit "fatter" and "squarer" edges on the inside on the lower loop.....then these are ready!!! Best regards FGD In case this helps: I used Adobe Illustrator to trace over a photo of a gen 203/A dial ... the resulting PDF is attached, which is *pretty* damn close to 1:1, IMHO. Anyone who wants the original Illustrator file, let me know. Cheers, Ari EDIT: Fixed font from Copperplate Regular to Copperplate Light. (It was too bold before.)203a_dial.pdf Edited January 8, 2008 by ari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 In case this helps: I used Adobe Illustrator to trace over a photo of a gen 203/A dial ... the resulting PDF is attached, which is *pretty* damn close to 1:1, IMHO. Anyone who wants the original Illustrator file, let me know. Cheers, Ari EDIT: Fixed font from Copperplate Regular to Copperplate Light. (It was too bold before.) Ari ....that's amazing ....you got many things right first time ....makes you wonder exactly what the issue is for the makers.... Love the artwork file....please can you send to me ?? Oh ....and welcome ...keep contributing like this and your onto a winner!! All the best FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ari Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Ari ....that's amazing ....you got many things right first time ....makes you wonder exactly what the issue is for the makers.... Love the artwork file....please can you send to me ?? Oh ....and welcome ...keep contributing like this and your onto a winner!! All the best FGD Thanks! Actually, you should be able to open/edit the PDF directly in Illustrator ... if not, let me know. Cheers, Ari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Thanks! Actually, you should be able to open/edit the PDF directly in Illustrator ... if not, let me know. Cheers, Ari Saved and done.......many thanks Ari FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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