DemonSlayer Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I love my recently aquired 009 PVD and my 111h, however, Panerai is a type of watch that is probably best worn without a steel bracelet. Due to my personal beliefs, I won't wear a strap that was made from leather from a cow (or any other animal) that was killed for its meat, or a cow (or any other animal) killed for its hide (I'm not sure if that does happen). Therefore, I ask fellow members to please offer suggestions or help me source straps that are either not made from leather or any other skin, but are still decent straps nonetheless, or made from animal skin where the animal was not purposefully killed, but rather died from natural causes (I know that won't be easy to be certain of). Thank you to all for your suggestion/help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeeyejo Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Seen some carbon fiber that look pretty cool - the Panny's also look good on the OEM type rubber straps with a deployment buckle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztech Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Have you taken a look at the rubber straps or the SS bracelets? They're both very good. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Yes I own both the SS strap, and also a rubber strap. By far the most comfortable is wearing either the rubber strap or leather. Yes I have taken a look at some carbon fiber straps, but most of them have leather on the underside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztech Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Hmm... then how about the jelly strap. It's basically the rubber strap, but it's made of some soft, jelly like, stuff. Very comfortable. Sorry, I'm just throwing things out there in hopes that one will stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tootall Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Yes I own both the SS strap, and also a rubber strap. By far the most comfortable is wearing either the rubber strap or leather. Yes I have taken a look at some carbon fiber straps, but most of them have leather on the underside Hey not to be rude or anything, but do you wear shoes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Hey TooTall, no problem you are not being rude at all. Yes I do wear shoes, both sneakers and formal (when the occasion requires them). However its pretty hard to source leather-free decent trainers and shoes. I see straps as a luxury item rather than a necessesity, as others pointed out, I can wear the PAM on rubber or S/S, I have been doing some searching and found some carbon fiber straps with rubber backing. Also it is also possible to manufacture straps using materials that look and feel like leather, but are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I have a very nice 24MM Rubber (Kevlar or Prada like) strap from the Watch Boys. I might be tempted to let it go if you are interested You can see it in this shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 dluddy- thats a nice strap I saw that picture before and began searching for kevlar straps. I would be interested in it. Does it have a rubber backing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 You know, I think it is but I can't be 100% sure of that. It looks like the black sweat proof layer they put on straps and I'm not 100% sure what that is made of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tootall Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Hey TooTall, no problem you are not being rude at all. Yes I do wear shoes, both sneakers and formal (when the occasion requires them). However its pretty hard to source leather-free decent trainers and shoes. I see straps as a luxury item rather than a necessesity, as others pointed out, I can wear the PAM on rubber or S/S, I have been doing some searching and found some carbon fiber straps with rubber backing. Also it is also possible to manufacture straps using materials that look and feel like leather, but are not. So it's just leather in straps that you have a problem with? I am just not following the logic. What if you did not know if the cow was killed for it's hide or meat? Would that suffice? I mean, I honestly don't know if the leather I use came from cows that were killed for their hides or meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I love my recently aquired 009 PVD and my 111h, however, Panerai is a type of watch that is probably best worn without a steel bracelet. Due to my personal beliefs, Not every day you hear this kind of thing, Demon, especially in today's anti-religious climate, and therefore -- magnificent. Strap King Dluddy gave you my suggestion too: the Kevlar strap. But I suggest getting it from Angus of Pure Time, for $95 shipped. Comes with this super duper buckle! You can go to his section here, on RWG and check it out. It's a sticky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce79 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 There is a stealth looking nylon velcro strap being sold by panatime at the moment, I've been tempted to pick one up. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 There is a stealth looking nylon velcro strap being sold by panatime at the moment, I've been tempted to pick one up. Check it out. Ooh, this? http://www.panatime.com/2411nykst5mm.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 So it's just leather in straps that you have a problem with? I am just not following the logic. What if you did not know if the cow was killed for it's hide or meat? Would that suffice? I mean, I honestly don't know if the leather I use came from cows that were killed for their hides or meat. I believe (I may be wrong) that what DemonSlayer may have meant one of two things... Either: 1) It is difficult to source leather-free footwear (but not impossible) or, 2) Shoes are a rather essential item of clothing, so one could be forgiven for wearing them, as they are being worn out of necessity (protecting the feet) rather than wearing them out of personal desire to do so (as would be the case with a strap, which is not essential) essentialy, they would be worn through necessity rather than by choice. For example, a Muslim who is force-fed pork, would not be disobeying the command that flesh of swine is forbidden, where a Muslim who chose to eat pork, most definitely would be disobeying the command Of course, I may be wrong, but that seemed to be (to me, at least) what DemonSlayer might have been meaning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 How about one of these from Narikaa. wears great and looks the business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 So it's just leather in straps that you have a problem with? I am just not following the logic. What if you did not know if the cow was killed for it's hide or meat? Would that suffice? I mean, I honestly don't know if the leather I use came from cows that were killed for their hides or meat. TeeJay stated exactly what I meant. Shoes are an essential item of clothing, I'm not wearing them for luxury but rather a necessity for when I go out of my house A leather strap on the other hand is definitely a luxury item, as I have pointed and others, that there are alternatives available. Leather was used in the country my forefathers came from, but the cow wasnt slaughtered for its hide, instead it would be used when the cow died of natural causes. I personally don't believe killing a cow or any other animal for that matter is justified for its skin. Not every day you hear this kind of thing, Demon, especially in today's anti-religious climate, and therefore -- magnificent. Thanks Victoria. That strap does definitely look the business, and a cool buckle too I believe (I may be wrong) that what DemonSlayer may have meant one of two things... Either: 1) It is difficult to source leather-free footwear (but not impossible) or, 2) Shoes are a rather essential item of clothing, so one could be forgiven for wearing them, as they are being worn out of necessity (protecting the feet) rather than wearing them out of personal desire to do so (as would be the case with a strap, which is not essential) essentialy, they would be worn through necessity rather than by choice. For example, a Muslim who is force-fed pork, would not be disobeying the command that flesh of swine is forbidden, where a Muslim who chose to eat pork, most definitely would be disobeying the command Of course, I may be wrong, but that seemed to be (to me, at least) what DemonSlayer might have been meaning Thats exactly what I was trying to say TeeJay, thanks. Also your first point is true for me, I didn't find it very easy to source leather-free footwear. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, and I know many vegans opt to wear them, but I find footwear is a necessity rather than a luxury. How about one of these from Narikaa. wears great and looks the business I think I will eventually get one of these However for my first strap I am definitely thinking of going with Kevlar or the Kevlar look. Thanks to all for your help, its much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Thats exactly what I was trying to say TeeJay, thanks. Also your first point is true for me, I didn't find it very easy to source leather-free footwear. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, and I know many vegans opt to wear them, but I find footwear is a necessity rather than a luxury. Don't feel bad, Demon. Even Orthodox Jews are allowed to break Sabbath laws if it's a necessity. Religion is there to guide, not to stifle, as a rabbi once told me. No Kevlar, eh? Tricky, tricky. I'm guessing the rubber diver strap is not to your taste either? I would say go to Internationalwatchman's unusual hide section, and have a peak. http://www.internationalwatchman.com/exotic.html Strapcode/Taikonaut have cheapish straps, which seem like synthetics, so you're all right there. http://www.strapcode.com/ Other options which are EU-based at that, are ABP and Camille Fournet. http://www.abp-paris.com/watchbands_creati...rid=7&cid=1 http://www.camillefournet.com/ Exotics seem the way to go. You can ask for a special backing which is not leather-bound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Thanks again! Oh Victoria, I meant I am DEFINITELY considering Kevlar as my first strap, and then I will think about other synthetics for other straps. I'll check these links out and see whats on offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkdk Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Or you could just wear the straps that come with the rep panerais. Not much "real" leather in them;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Thanks again! Oh Victoria, I meant I am DEFINITELY considering Kevlar as my first strap, and then I will think about other synthetics for other straps. I'll check these links out and see whats on offer AFAIK, a lot of kevlar straps still have a leather backing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 AFAIK, a lot of kevlar straps still have a leather backing. According to V, Don's doesn't. http://rlx.homestead.com/don6.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 (edited) TeeJay stated exactly what I meant. Shoes are an essential item of clothing, I'm not wearing them for luxury but rather a necessity for when I go out of my house A leather strap on the other hand is definitely a luxury item, as I have pointed and others, that there are alternatives available. Leather was used in the country my forefathers came from, but the cow wasnt slaughtered for its hide, instead it would be used when the cow died of natural causes. I personally don't believe killing a cow or any other animal for that matter is justified for its skin. Thats exactly what I was trying to say TeeJay, thanks. Also your first point is true for me, I didn't find it very easy to source leather-free footwear. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, and I know many vegans opt to wear them, but I find footwear is a necessity rather than a luxury. No problem, I figured it'd likely be one of those options, afterall, most religions allow for people to break commandments if it's a necessity, or if such a breach is forced upon the person by others (ie someone ramming pork down a Jew/Muslim's throat ) Afterall, Allah's intention is not to make life difficult for us Testing, maybe, but not difficult As the Qur'an says: The Cow [2.185] The month of Ramadan is that in which the Quran was revealed, a guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance and the distinction; therefore whoever of you is present in the month, he shall fast therein, and whoever is sick or upon a journey, then (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days; Allah desires ease for you, and He does not desire for you difficulty, and (He desires) that you should complete the number and that you should exalt the greatness of Allah for His having guided you and that you may give thanks. The Divorce [65.7] Let him who has abundance spend out of his abundance and whoever has his means of subsistence straitened to him, let him spend out of that which Allah has given him; Allah does not lay on any soul a burden except to the extent to which He has granted it; Allah brings about ease after difficulty. As an asside, I just found this website, and thought it might be of interest/help to you www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk Edited March 8, 2008 by TeeJay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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