migiandone Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Ok, a ton of luck, but this is soccer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertrinaustin Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Great game and effort by the Aussies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 That penalty was a disgrace. Ref decided to give the win to Italy. Embarrassing, totally embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollipop Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 I'll be [censored] if Italy go on and win the world cup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migiandone Posted June 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 That penalty was a disgrace. Ref decided to give the win to Italy. Embarrassing, totally embarrassing. Embarassing like the red to Materassi...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertrinaustin Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 That penalty was a disgrace. Ref decided to give the win to Italy. Embarrassing, totally embarrassing. The penalty was fair. That is what happens to defenders that dive at the ball and get nowhere close. It is too bad the game was desided this way, but shame on the defender for leaving the ref no choice. And I agree, another terrible red card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Embarassing like the red to Materassi...... I agree, that red was unjustified as well. I don't like the way refs decide the games. Calls like these make the whole sport look stupid...it becomes complete lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 (edited) The penalty was fair. I wonder if it was the same game we were watching. Neill went down long before Grosso had gotten to him, which was stupid in its own right. Grosso then played it around him, and leapt over him. Now, that was the strange part to me. Neill was just an immobile body at the edge of the 6. If Grosso wanted, im sure he could've just gone around him, but instead he leapt, and it almost seemed like he dragged his left foot down intentionally to catch Neill's body and fall. That was a horrible penalty call. Edited June 26, 2006 by By-Tor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwai02 Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Shame! Soccer scandal, dive, spit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migiandone Posted June 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 I agree, that red was unjustified as well. I don't like the way refs decide the games. Calls like these make the whole sport look stupid...it becomes complete lottery. I agree with you By-Tor, soccer is a rude game, now every takle is a yellow or red card, we are not playing volley!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGambleur Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Australia deserved the win, it was not a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertrinaustin Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 I wonder if it was the same game we were watching. Neill went down long before Grosso had gotten to him, which was stupid in its own right. Grosso then played it around him, and leapt over him. Now, that was the strange part to me. Neill was just an immobile body at the edge of the 6. If Grosso wanted, im sure he could've just gone around him, but instead he leapt, and it almost seemed like he dragged his left foot down intentionally to catch Neill's body and fall. That was a horrible penalty call. You must have a very different defination of "long before" than what is commonly accepted. The point is at this level, you can't dive in at a player's feet and miss the ball and not expect to get a penalty called. Was it the worst foul in the box I've seen this tournament? No, in fact, I've seen worse that were not called, but that does not make this a nonpenalty. It is a shame for a game like this to be determined this way, but that is the nature of the game. As a defender, you can't put the ref in the situation of having to make that judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertrinaustin Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 (edited) Australia deserved the win, it was not a penalty. I must say that I wanted the Aussies to prevail, but I thought the Italians created the better opportunities and had more quality chances to score. The Aussies controlled the midfield in the second half, but really failed to capitalize on the man advantage and turn that into scoring chances. Ultimately, the team the "deserves" to win is the team that scores the most. Edited June 26, 2006 by robertrinaustin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migiandone Posted June 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Australia deserved the win, it was not a penalty. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkerouac Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 The drive into the box -- and the dive -- were calculated moves. You can also call it smart soccer. In order of italian preference, the order is: 1) if you are very lucky, you get a goal. 2) if you don't score but can create "an incident," you get a penalty kick. 3) If you don't score and don't get a penalty kick, then you go into overtime. Or, the one bad outcome, 4) You take a dive and get called for bad acting. In this case #2 happened. It was a desperation move, because the Italians were not able to score otherwise on a feisty Australian unit. Even if you say it was a legitimate call, it was certain that if the Italian could not score, he was going to go down. Acting has a role in many sports, whether in basketball, where talented players can draw fouls, or American football where pass interference or holding often rely on interpretation -- and the skill of the player who is the "victim" of the foul. One final point. The Aussies did not score, and therefore had no chance to win outright. As in many, many situations, if you don't win outright, the outcome will be up to chance. In this instance chance came down on the Italian side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 One final point. The Aussies did not score, and therefore had no chance to win outright. As in many, many situations, if you don't win outright, the outcome will be up to chance. In this instance chance came down on the Italian side. You're quite right about this. You can have all the possession in the world, but you've got to score. Australia couldn't, and given the amount of possession they should have created better chances. They were fortunate to have been playing against 10 men for forty minutes - it was a massive advantage to have Luca Toni (who I rate) substituted for another defender. (Lippi left on Del Piero, so it was like a double boost for Australia!). If Australia couldn't score in normal time, I didn't really see it happening in extra time either - Italy can soak up pressure all night long. And then, as you say, it comes down to chance. It was seriously cruel to go out to a non-penalty with the last kick of the game - but even without it some different cruelty could just have come a few minutes later in extra time. Congrats Italy! I hope they do really well - they are a superb team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Damn soccer and the donkey it rode in on I'm going back to my AFL where the players decide games and the ref's are just a nuisance Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 I'm going back to my AFL where the players decide games and the ref's are just a nuisance Ken Plus you only have to play Ireland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Plus you only have to play Ireland! Not my fault the rest of the world aren't up to scratch <----- Chicken Licken Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 And I understand Prime Minister Howard has just left on a mercy flight to the US... sole intention to convince his mate George, to immediately declare war on Italy. ( If ya can't beat 'em- bomb 'em!) Offshore PS I'm with you Ken.. back to AFL... at least we can beat the Irish... and nobody else wants to play us! Offshore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matte Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 The Italians onely had luck ysterday and that bugs me... I hate that focking team The Australia played a very good soccer. BUT WE had Not ONLY luck, pal. As for "hating our team" ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrickvilleboy Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Its how sport is, chance comes knocking, italy was reduced to 10 men by the 48th minute with a bad red card. If you dont take that chance and win then and there, chance knocks elsewhere, and for this instance came knocking right on italy's door, and they opened it. Too bad most of the australian team will be retiring from international, the 2010 WC will be puzzled together by alot of young players. I'm very proud of the australian side who only had less than 1 year to get their act together under hiddink and making it to Round of 16 of WC is not easy. btw, Hiddink has achieved GOD status in my eyes. What a coach he is, less talk, more action, less drama, more results. Poor Neil, by far the best defender in this WC, how ironic how the hero became, if put harshly, the villian..... Congratulations Italy, your star Totti didn't disappoint, nailed that ball left pigeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Lippi left on Del Piero, so it was like a double boost for Australia!). So funny, and so true It wasn't a classy outcome, but when Totti netted I felt a sense of justice. South Korea 4 years ago.... the 'golden goal' Trezeguet scored in Euro 2000, the final against Brazil in '94.... I have had too many heartaches, so I hope the tide of fortune has finally turned our way..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadog13 Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 sorry for the aussies....I wanted to see them pass....but the pasta boys have been lucky as always! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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