mastmampf Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hello at all, i have a problem with an online credit card payment. I often had bought watches from Andrew or Joshua and always payed through credit card. Today i wanted to order some watches again and also paying with my credit card but it don`t worked. I have telephoned with my bank and they said that a payment has already been done at the beginning of December. But this payment was not from me! The man at the bank said that the money has been send to www.luxury.mall.com or www.luxury-mall.com. Does anyone know one of this sites? Regards Matz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 As far as I know, luxury-mall has no connection with Andrew/Josh, so if your credit card was charged by that site (& you never purchased anything from them), I would have your bank do some further checking to see who placed the charge on your credit card. Keep in mind that 1 person may own several (or dozens) replica sites, each with a different name & selection of goods. So, sometimes, it takes some detective work to find out who owns the site name that appears on your credit card bill when you actually bought your rep watch from a site with an entirely different name when both sites are owned by the same person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I always thought giving counterfeiters your credit card details was a bad idea. It's not whether or not you trust your dealer; it's whether or not you trust their part-time help not to get trojans on their computers, or have a nice little earner on the side selling gwailo credit card numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 As Puggy states, no matter how much you trust your dealer he knowingly runs an illegal business and all his employees knowingly work in an illegal business (because of the extra pay), not the best of choices to send your cc details to. Find out more about this payment (especially if you are sure you didn't make it) you still have up to 90 to do a charge back if need be. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 As far as I know, luxury-mall has no connection with Andrew/Josh, so if your credit card was charged by that site (& you never purchased anything from them), I would have your bank do some further checking to see who placed the charge on your credit card. Keep in mind that 1 person may own several (or dozens) replica sites, each with a different name & selection of goods. So, sometimes, it takes some detective work to find out who owns the site name that appears on your credit card bill when you actually bought your rep watch from a site with an entirely different name when both sites are owned by the same person. Whoah hold on there Freddy.... Placed a custom order with Josh recently. He sent custom payment link to his site. Went through all fine. Then got email from this luxury-mall, saying thank you for purchasing on www.pc-80108.com etc.....with the amount and my details all correct. Then got confirmation from Josh himself with order no. So not sure how you can say there's no connection? As for this thread outlining CC fraud, well it just makes me obviously. Didn't use a regular card but a reminder why I prefer the 'safety' of paypal. Something to ponder, but have cancelled/reordered a new card just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I could be wrong, but this is what I based my assumption on -- --- resolving host "luxury-mall.com" luxury-mall.com [69.64.33.242] --- performing WHOIS on "69.64.33.242" OrgName: Hosting Solutions International, Inc. OrgID: SERVE-6 Address: 710 North Tucker Blvd. Address: Suite 400a City: Saint Louis StateProv: MO PostalCode: 63101 Country: US NetRange: 69.64.32.0 - 69.64.63.255 CIDR: 69.64.32.0/19 NetName: S4Y1-NET NetHandle: NET-69-64-32-0-1 Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.NAMESERVERSERVICE.COM NameServer: NS2.NAMESERVERSERVICE.COM Comment: http://www.server4you.com RegDate: 2003-07-30 Updated: 2004-04-29 So Andrew/Josh have their sites hosted in St. Louis, Missouri? Seems unlikely, but I guess anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MimiSars Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Use Paypal next time, its much safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappy97 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Whoah hold on there Freddy.... Placed a custom order with Josh recently. He sent custom payment link to his site. Went through all fine. Then got email from this luxury-mall, saying thank you for purchasing on www.pc-80108.com etc.....with the amount and my details all correct. Then got confirmation from Josh himself with order no. So not sure how you can say there's no connection? As for this thread outlining CC fraud, well it just makes me obviously. Didn't use a regular card but a reminder why I prefer the 'safety' of paypal. Something to ponder, but have cancelled/reordered a new card just in case. There is a connection. When I bought my order off Perfect Clones, through the website, the order steps ends up taking you to Luxury Mall which handles the payment. It's simply a third-party credit card transaction site. My order went through fine, Joshua shipped it, and it just cleared US customs and is on its way to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Use Paypal next time, its much safer. Of course it is but Josh doesn't 'do' paypal anymore, accounts were fried a while back by some disatisfied RWI customer apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega_Man Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I have a Credit Card with Bank of America and I can create a "temporary" credit card number. I always use this method for payments to overseas vendors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MimiSars Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Of course it is but Josh doesn't 'do' paypal anymore, accounts were fried a while back by some disatisfied RWI customer apparently. What do you mean by "fried"? There was no danger to buyers accounts though was there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastmampf Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 So i got response today from Andrew and Joshua after i have emailed them my problem yesterday: Andrews answer: Luxury mall? My credit card processor is under HQ-WATCHES.COM... Did you checkout at other sites?? Joshua said: Hi, As you can see.. All transactions made are declined.. Perhaps there will be a refund to your account soon by the gateway .. I don`t know luxury-mall.com and never ordered something from them. But i know that i stated a order at Joshuas site on 03.Dez.2008 about 1114$. And this amount is exactly 885.77Euros. But the payment was not going through: Dec 3, 2008 TR1228316485369 None sale declined 60506 Direct $1114.00 0.00 $0.00 So something must have gone wrong there. My bank said that i have to wait til the end of this month, then i could make a complaint. I would also rather pay through paypal or moneybookers but there are not much trusted dealers anymore accepting these payment methods. Regards Matz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseman Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 This is what is regged on the domain: Sounds like a bogus name to me... Domain Name: LUXURY-MALL.COM Registrant: Astramedi LTD Pamela Desiree (info@luxury-mall.com) 1 Mapp str. Belize City Belize,98452 BZ Tel. +1.8002207152 Creation Date: 17-Jul-2008 Expiration Date: 17-Jul-2009 Domain servers in listed order: ns2.aaa-nameserver.com ns1.aaa-nameserver.com Administrative Contact: Astramedi LTD Pamela Desiree (info@luxury-mall.com) 1 Mapp str. Belize City Belize,98452 BZ Tel. +1.8002207152 Technical Contact: Astramedi LTD Pamela Desiree (info@luxury-mall.com) 1 Mapp str. Belize City Belize,98452 BZ Tel. +1.8002207152 Billing Contact: Astramedi LTD Pamela Desiree (info@luxury-mall.com) 1 Mapp str. Belize City Belize,98452 BZ Tel. +1.8002207152 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 luxury-mall.com will be a card broker for the Chinese dealers. I very much doubt the Cartel boys will be running their own card processors with SSL certs and secure bank API back-ends. It's not worth their while when there are so many brokers offering their services for a guaranteed percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieG Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 No US extradition from Belize... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 luxury-mall.com will be a card broker for the Chinese dealers. I very much doubt the Cartel boys will be running their own card processors with SSL certs and secure bank API back-ends. It's not worth their while when there are so many brokers offering their services for a guaranteed percentage. Exactly, don't see what all the screaming about fraud is for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Nana Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Dear friends.. Luxurymall is simply a front set up by the gateway provider to charge the payments "legally" ....This will appear on your CC statement. There is no danger or security breach whatsoever cos I have been operating with this system for 2 full years now. The site is fully encrypted. No one has ever been scammed .. No credit card information theft was ever reported. This is reference for you . So please stop all the speculative suggestions and comments. My one and only reply to this topic. Thanks joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Dear friends.. Luxurymall is simply a front set up by the gateway provider to charge the payments "legally" ....This will appear on your CC statement. There is no danger or security breach whatsoever cos I have been operating with this system for 2 full years now. The site is fully encrypted. No one has ever been scammed .. No credit card information theft was ever reported. This is reference for you . So please stop all the speculative suggestions and comments. My one and only reply to this topic. Thanks joshua There's your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfbit Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) Just tried twice to pay Josh via luxury-mall.com and was declined both times. I double checked my info both times. Doesn't make me feel very good. I just want a Ti PAM 089... Edited December 19, 2008 by tfbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappy97 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Just tried twice to pay Josh via luxury-mall.com and was declined both times. I double checked my info both times. Doesn't make me feel very good. I just want a Ti PAM 089... That doesn't mean it's a scam. On my order that I mentioned above, I was declined the first time too. My CC declined due to fraud protection, and when I cleared it with them, and tried again, it worked. You were probably declined as a precautionary measure and might have to call your CC, clear it up with them, and then run it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfbit Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 That doesn't mean it's a scam. On my order that I mentioned above, I was declined the first time too. My CC declined due to fraud protection, and when I cleared it with them, and tried again, it worked. You were probably declined as a precautionary measure and might have to call your CC, clear it up with them, and then run it again.I never said it was a scam, I just said it didn't make me feel very good. I did try the contact link on the Perfect Clones website and I'll see what they have to say about everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endless402 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I never said it was a scam, I just said it didn't make me feel very good. I did try the contact link on the Perfect Clones website and I'll see what they have to say about everything. any update? my credit card was "declined" but I still see the charge on my credit card! definetly something wrong with the system or a scam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shundi Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 any update? my credit card was "declined" but I still see the charge on my credit card! definetly something wrong with the system or a scam It's not a scam. Hundreds of us have initiated thousands of transactions through that site. Everyone seems to be fine- It's possible your credit card company placed a "hold" on the funds or hasn't updated their site... Maybe you should call your card issuer and ask them what the story is since it's possible the screw up is on their end...it's happened to me before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endless402 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 The transaction was a week ago and it was a temporary charge. I checked today and saw that the amount was posted so I called the credit card company and they said that there was a transaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shundi Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 The transaction was a week ago and it was a temporary charge. I checked today and saw that the amount was posted so I called the credit card company and they said that there was a transaction. Interesting...please keep us posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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