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Hello good people of our beloved site, Although I have been a member for many years now (hopefully in good standing!) I am completely out of the loop when it comes to out of the box off the shelf vintage subs. All my subs/SD's are heavily modded MBW's and I haven't looked at the off the shelf watches for about 5 years. Anyway, to get back to the question - a friend wants to buy either a 1680 or a 16610. He doesn't think he's going to modify it (yet ha ha ha) so would like a good rep from a trusted dealer. My go to dealer back in the day was Andrew (?) of Trusty Time fame but I seem to remember reading a thread that said his website name had been copied by an unscrupulous dealer and you should now tread carefully when ordering. I see that the website trustytime888.com is up and running and seems to be the same as the old TT site that I remember. Is it to be trusted or am I making a horrible mistake? Also if anybody has a recommendation for a good 1680 or 16610 source (other than TT888) I'd be most grateful if you'd give me the details. All the best and remember people "Let's be careful out there" (Kudos to anybody who gets the Hill St Blues reference 🙂

Hey isn't that the "Full Service" that RedBigJoe used to offer?

It’s resurrection day! Next thing you know Ubi will be dropping by. I love it when guys wander back home again

Aah all the oldies are peeping out from behind the curtains. Nice to see you D! Thanks for input. I've forwarded TT's 16610 JF link to my friend. It's up to him now. Many thanks one and all.

Welcome back mate https://trustytime.shop Is the rabbit you need to follow 1680, not so much. Cartel which has many faults and depends what you can live with then Phong, which really just has one fault😂 16610 JF is about as good as anyone ever really needs. The clone movements have got better recently, but probably will still need a decent modder watchsmith to give it a quick spray of WD40 and a sharp smack on the side of the desk at some point

Welcome back! I thought I heard familiar footsteps in the hallway...

The 5513 case may be genuine but the 9 in the serial # is sorta fishy and the lug holes appear to be double drilled aka 'chamfered'. It does have a few authentic looking specks (aka 'Rot Dots') between the lugs though. I would not venture a guess if the case is genuine or not. 'Case Rot' comes in three stages: 1...Rot Dots (aka Pre Rot). 2...Case Rot (RDs are deep enough to snag a pin/screwdriver). 3...'Helium Holes' (easy to spot). "Please tell me about your “genuine” quartz Submariner." It has a plated 'pot metal' case with a 'nip' dial similar to yours and an ISA 1198 quartz movement. The bracelet has solid steel links with push pins. Last time I put a batt in it a few years ago it took off running as usual. Iirc the watch was about $25. I have a few nos ISA 1198 movements from back then and they are marked $12, now they are 2 or 3 times that much. I have moved up in life since then...now I have a couple all steel 'submariners' aka 'genumariners' with Seagull ST16 automatics and push pin steel bracelets. They were $35 each. The story is they came in the country with plain dials and the dials were printed in the USA somewhere, probably NYC. You had the choice of black or blue dials (aka 'summer blue') with matching bezels The lettering on the dials is silver instead of white and a bit sloppy. They keep pretty good time and are 'Tuff as a Timex'. Better to wear them at night or under a sleeve.

All OK for me. I. Bought a similar years ago. It is polished unfortunately... Prob by Rolex.... they replace the dials, hands in some cases without even asking in several countries if they feel so ... no patina anymore Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk